Scope base options for Kimber?

kodiakhntr said:
not sure why so many people get emotionally wound up over talleys? Match it to a leupold and suggest that the glass doesn't track or hold zero or that the talley's broke while the rifle was laying on the seat of a pickup and they were properly torqued and you might as well be one of the guys holding jesus's arms while he was nailed to the cross...
Pretty simple to choose stuff that works so you aren't chasing your tail as long as you don't get emotionally invested in a product produced by a company that doesn't even know or care that you exist.

Leupold dual dovetails are pretty trim, don't look terrible, and are really unlikely to snap, even if you drop your rifle in a creek while fishing. Same as burris signature rings. Same as a dozen others already mentioned.

The. Problems start to happen when a person forgets that a rifle has only one job, and that isn't to look pretty, or to be as light as humanly possible. It's supposed to put a cold bore round where you put the cross hairs, each and every time. That's it. When you start making trade off's because you want to save an ounce, or because you don't like the way something looks, then you are bastardizing the one true purpose that the rifle has and you are taking chances that the rifle won't do what you need it to do, when you need it to do it.

0.00000000000000000058 seconds on google will show hundreds of people talking about broken talleys. Call talley and say that you had one snap and they don't even ask anything other than your address so they can send a replacement. You don't see that with any other ring or base out there. Why do people take it so personally? At this point, it is pretty hard to refute the fact that they can and do snap at inopportune times.
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conor_90 said:
Slimbo did you break those scopes with impact from falling etc or scramble them with recoil?

What are guys paying for a set of S&K rings and bases? Do you just order them directly from their site?
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Both were drops resulting in loose/crooked reticles. I’ve only bought s&k used on the EE so I can’t help you with shipping. I think I paid 125 bucks per pair.
 
I’ve got 5 Kimbers and have dual dovetails on all of them. Solid, not dog arse ugly, and for me the fact that they hang over the port is an advantage. I’m tall, have long arms and neck, shoot with an acute shoulder angle to the gun, tend to crawl a stock, and don’t hold onto the stock much harder than it takes to not drop it. That little extra bit of forward mounting potential is the difference between almost getting hit and never giving it a second thought. Its cheaper than lengthening stocks, and I’m too old to change the way I shoot.

Had a couple sets of Talley Ring bases and didn’t like them much. My Kimber in 338 Win used to shear off the tiny screws like frozen spagetti.
 
KodiakHntr said:
Not sure why so many people get emotionally wound up over Talleys? Match it to a Leupold and suggest that the glass doesn't track or hold zero or that the Talley's broke while the rifle was laying on the seat of a pickup AND they were properly torqued and you might as well be one of the guys holding Jesus's arms while he was nailed to the cross...
Pretty simple to choose stuff that works so you aren't chasing your tail as long as you don't get emotionally invested in a product produced by a company that doesn't even know or care that you exist.

Leupold Dual Dovetails are pretty trim, don't look terrible, and are really unlikely to snap, even if you drop your rifle in a creek while fishing. Same as Burris Signature Rings. Same as a dozen others already mentioned.

The. problems start to happen when a person forgets that a rifle has only one job, and that isn't to look pretty, or to be as light as humanly possible. It's supposed to put a cold bore round where you put the cross hairs, each and every time. That's it. When you start making trade off's because you want to save an ounce, or because you don't like the way something LOOKS, then you are bastardizing the one true purpose that the rifle has and you are taking chances that the rifle won't do what you need it to do, when you need it to do it.

0.00000000000000000058 seconds on google will show hundreds of people talking about broken Talleys. Call Talley and say that you had one snap and they don't even ask anything other than your address so they can send a replacement. You don't see that with any other ring or base out there. Why do people take it so personally? At this point, it is pretty hard to refute the fact that they can and do snap at inopportune times.
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I’m still searching for the cold bore hunting rifle epidemic that people keep talking about. I’ve yet to find it. But I’m sure it exists.
 
Personally, the best rings and bases are manufactured in Europe. EAW, Recknagel, Rusan, Contessa, Dentler, Henneberger for starters. Weaver, burris, Leupold, Ruger and some Talley's are junk. Near, Warne and Steel Talley's are good.
 
The problem, as I see it, is we have scope mounts that mount scopes way to high. But we are our own worst enemy. I’ve bought dozens of used rifles over the years. Most of them come with the scope mounts. Not one has had low rings on it. 95% of them have come with some sort of Leupold medium or high mount. So it stands to reason that companies are going to make higher rings than necessary. We buy them.

I was in Crappy Tire the other day. They had half an isle of scope mounts. Not one low ring among them.
 
Overtorqued maybe? If low weight is what you're after it's hard to beat the Tallys, but I'd suggest using a rail or separate bases. If you don't mind adding a few oz to your rig, then consider Leupold or Burris bases and rings - something made of steel.

If you prefer the weaver style bases, I have nothing but good things to say about Burris Extreme tactical 2-piece bases, with their Zee rings (the ones with the inserts). Don't let the name fool you, they're actually nice looking too. I have them on both my plastic 700 and my Supergrade M70. Like I said - great bases and rings.
 
Rman said:
Maybe you need to attempt to purchase the set that Chuck has pictured, then? Only to find out that they will probably break, and or stretch as well?
Or, send them back to Talley and get a new set?
Or... better yet... try to figure what you're doing wrong, in order to accomplish the most, with least?

R.
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Not sure if I can even get those rings chuck had pictured he didn’t answer my question.

Maybe a tooth pick will help them torque up properly…
 
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Rman said:
Machined pot metal... like a Ruger?
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Not exactly. Pot metal is a term that has been corrupted and used incorrectly. Cheap cast parts made out of weak metals are correctly referred to as "pot metal". Cast and machined parts made of 4140 steel (the type commonly used in Ruger's blued actions) has a tensile strength between 130,000 and 200,000 PSI. Definitely not the same stuff.
 
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Rman said:
Maybe you need to attempt to purchase the set that Chuck has pictured, then? Only to find out that they will probably break, and or stretch as well?
Or, send them back to Talley and get a new set?
Or... better yet... try to figure what you're doing wrong, in order to accomplish the most, with least?

R.
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In other words one can’t justify the cost and the other doesn’t know.
 
They are Echols ring mounts, I don't know if they are sold separately so you might just have to buy one of his rifles
 
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