Scope bit twice today:) what scope has best eye relief?
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Ill try a different scope and rings but I think I'll have the same issue . Maybe not scope bite but I'll definitely have to mount the scope as far rearward as possible . The only thing I can see to fix that is to remove 1 1/2 inches from the stock
+1.
I also have Nikon Monarch 3's, and Zeiss HD 5's. Two real working differences between the two are that the Zeiss has slightly better light retention at dusk, and has a x5 zoom ratio compared to x4 for the Nikon. Eye relief is 4" plus.
I have about $600 kicking around for a scope, I could wait a bit longer and save a few more bucks. I've been looking at the Burris Veracity 3-15 , but I'm still not sure. I did have a NF SHV 5-20 but sold it . Also had a ziess 2.5-10 HD 5 , sold that to.
. As for a stock, I'm thinking Cadex( don't laugh). I had one on my .308 and it was really nice.
. As for a stock, I'm thinking Cadex( don't laugh). I had one on my .308 and it was really nice.
It is good if you have to lean ahead, it tensions up you muscles a bit and when the recoil shoves your shoulder back, your muscles help keep your brow from being touched... When a scope is set too far back and the shooter is not leaning into it, when the recoil shoves the shoulder the head just sits there and the scope slaps the brow.
This thread has become a monster, way too many replies to bother with now...
So many posts, so little useful advice.....
I'll buck the trend of this thread and and not offer you a quick fix/solution, but rather I'll say most peoples advice in this thread is useless to you. They are all playing range commandos trying to guess what you are doing. I suspect something with your form is off as it doesn't sound like you are a petite man or little person, but I'm guessing (as is every other person in this thread despite them trying to pretend they are all Carlos Hathcock and no one else knows anything). That said, maybe the stock is too long, maybe it's not, maybe your form is bad, maybe it's not. For anyone to help you, I'd encourage you to post pictures of you shouldering the rifle in a T-shirt showing you from the waist up (from both the side and front). Without seeing the buttstock, your shoulder, where the rifle is seated in your shoulder pocket, the angle of your back, your neck, and your head, people are just picking answers out of their asses and arguing and belittling each other. For all you know, the person that can help you has been driven away from this thread.
I'll buck the trend of this thread and and not offer you a quick fix/solution, but rather I'll say most peoples advice in this thread is useless to you. They are all playing range commandos trying to guess what you are doing. I suspect something with your form is off as it doesn't sound like you are a petite man or little person, but I'm guessing (as is every other person in this thread despite them trying to pretend they are all Carlos Hathcock and no one else knows anything). That said, maybe the stock is too long, maybe it's not, maybe your form is bad, maybe it's not. For anyone to help you, I'd encourage you to post pictures of you shouldering the rifle in a T-shirt showing you from the waist up (from both the side and front). Without seeing the buttstock, your shoulder, where the rifle is seated in your shoulder pocket, the angle of your back, your neck, and your head, people are just picking answers out of their asses and arguing and belittling each other. For all you know, the person that can help you has been driven away from this thread.
All I can say for sure is , I have put the mounts back in there furthest position on the rail, I then have to put the scope in the furthest position in the mounts. Then o shoulder the gun with my eyes closed and tilt my head into the cheek weld position. When I open my eyes , I have to stretch my head forward a punt an inch , in order to get a full eye box . So I see 2 issues, one being that o have stretch my next forward and two , that the scope is mounted too far back. The only fix I can see is to remove 1 1/2 inches from the stock. This would solve both these issues. Now as for the scope bite, I think if I had 3/12 to 4 inches of relief it wouldn't have happened . But because I only have 3 inches and I had to lean over at the bench, thereby tilting my head at an angle , which got my brow even closer than the 3 inch relief, caused my bite.
View attachment 47033View attachment 47034 the first pic is where I'm comfortable , the second is where I need to be,
So you come on and basically say everyone who has posted is a retard and knows nothing, you do exactly what you accuse everyone else of doing(guessing at a possible problem) and yet you provide no solution even though you are smarter than everyone else.... The only one belittling anyone is you.
Piss off
Not sure if this is a new gun, but there are a couple of options that I will add that relate to some of the other posters here.
One gun that typically has short LOP is a Ruger 10-22. If you have a friend who has one set-up with scope - give it a try to see how it fits your needs. Try different power settings - if it is a variable, like a 3x9.
This will help you determine how LOP feels to you. This does not really cost you much - other then time and a box of ammunition.
Now, if you have the resources to buy a stock - then I would suggest a boyds with a Monti Carlo cheek rest. This helps to raise your head in a fashion that is more concentric to the bore and scope height. I prefer this type of stock beccause it's more comfortable for me and it may work for you. You can trim the rear of the stock to achieve a comfortable LOP. And add a slip on recoil pad to find your ideal LOP.
It's different for everyone - and the reason I suggest the replacement stock is for the purposes of keeping your original stock in OEM configuration, in case you want to sell the 7MMRM. Tikka's are often light and the stocks are light. Hence more felt recoil in standard configuration.
As suggested you may want to consider a rifle with lighter recoil. So ultimately you could buy another tikka and keep your well fit replacement stock for the new acquisition. Thus, you could sell the 7mmRM with the OEM stock. Because if you cut the OEM stock this brings the value down on a resale.
A better scope is always a good thing. Sometimes we go through all kinds of experiments with low or modestly price scopes and find that they do not achieve the results we have in mind. So in conclusion I would suggest the following:
1. Try a Ruger 10-22 that has a scope mounted because these have a shorter LOP - and see how if feels when it is being fired.
2. Consider a replacement stock that can be readily adjusted with a LOP that feels right to you.
3. Always ensure the bases and rings are in good order and function as needed.
4. Obtain a scope that has features that support your needs - like longer eye relief and a better quality scope at lesser power can do wonders.
Hope all goes well for you...!
One gun that typically has short LOP is a Ruger 10-22. If you have a friend who has one set-up with scope - give it a try to see how it fits your needs. Try different power settings - if it is a variable, like a 3x9.
This will help you determine how LOP feels to you. This does not really cost you much - other then time and a box of ammunition.
Now, if you have the resources to buy a stock - then I would suggest a boyds with a Monti Carlo cheek rest. This helps to raise your head in a fashion that is more concentric to the bore and scope height. I prefer this type of stock beccause it's more comfortable for me and it may work for you. You can trim the rear of the stock to achieve a comfortable LOP. And add a slip on recoil pad to find your ideal LOP.
It's different for everyone - and the reason I suggest the replacement stock is for the purposes of keeping your original stock in OEM configuration, in case you want to sell the 7MMRM. Tikka's are often light and the stocks are light. Hence more felt recoil in standard configuration.
As suggested you may want to consider a rifle with lighter recoil. So ultimately you could buy another tikka and keep your well fit replacement stock for the new acquisition. Thus, you could sell the 7mmRM with the OEM stock. Because if you cut the OEM stock this brings the value down on a resale.
A better scope is always a good thing. Sometimes we go through all kinds of experiments with low or modestly price scopes and find that they do not achieve the results we have in mind. So in conclusion I would suggest the following:
1. Try a Ruger 10-22 that has a scope mounted because these have a shorter LOP - and see how if feels when it is being fired.
2. Consider a replacement stock that can be readily adjusted with a LOP that feels right to you.
3. Always ensure the bases and rings are in good order and function as needed.
4. Obtain a scope that has features that support your needs - like longer eye relief and a better quality scope at lesser power can do wonders.
Hope all goes well for you...!
From an online search and you tube , I've determined that I need a LOP of 13 1/4 . My Tikka is 14 1/4. I think the wrong lop, small eye relief and having my bipod to low ,all contributed to my problem. I have a new veracity in the mail and will be looking at a new stock in the future. Thanks for all the advice.
Where is you left hand when shooting? If the rifle jumps and scope is set far back it will also bite you...
First shot from my BLR .30-06, my nose was grazed by flip up scope cover release. I had just shot a box or so of .223 from a bolt action and lazily held on to the rear of stock with left hand.
Worst case, get a scout scope setup. Guaranteed not to bite
First shot from my BLR .30-06, my nose was grazed by flip up scope cover release. I had just shot a box or so of .223 from a bolt action and lazily held on to the rear of stock with left hand.
Worst case, get a scout scope setup. Guaranteed not to bite
Is it mounted ahead of where the Bushnell was?
I have a couple of rifles needing scopes, also looking at Burris. Got any pics of the new setup?
I sold the gun yesterday and have the scope listed on the EE. There's pic of the scope mounted on the tikka. It's on the third page of Optics for sale. It could've been moved forward a touch more. Also the LOP could be shortened by 11/2 inches , thereby allowing me to move the scope ahead even more.
I got 3 sub Moa groups using the first scope ( cheap bushnell). I was out Saturday with the new Burris and had a few groups hovering just above MOA. And I had one group at .560 and one at .790. 7828 and RL 26. I was kinda waiting for the bite , but after the first shot I realized it wasn't coming. So all was fine. And no, I didn't develop a flinch. It's not that bad, I've had worst things hit me in the head
