Scope on GPMG???

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micSarfati

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Ok, i don't want to seem stupid here but in my opinion, what the hell is a scope doing on a general purpose machine gun... This is the HK-21e, i looked it up on the net and everything says it is a gpmg, so what the hell is a scope doing on it...anyone know more about this gun?? and why theres a scope on it???

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Its not a new concept remember the No. 32 scope was NOT designed for the No.4(T) Lee-Enfield but instead the Bren MG originally.

A Machine gun is good for rapid fire but armed with a scope its more or less ACCURATE rapid fire at the enemy before they get too close for comfort is the idea I believe. :)

Dimitri
 
It's likely a 4 power scope sitting on that beutiful H&K, which is almost the same magnification found on an Elcan. Makes lots of sense if you ask me. Also, remember that the German Mg34's and 42's when deployed on lafettes had scopes on them.
 
Hmm ok... the Elcan is used on the C9 LMG to find your initial target, its not that much of a scope...3X... when your spraying and praying ur not looking through it...so if this is a 4X then it might make sense.... the gpmg however, which this gun is classed, is a area effect weapon....which is used to spray lead over a large area, a scope would defeat that purpose... but what do i know if its there it must be for a good reason.... maybe to find the initial target
 
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Can't shoot it if you can't see it.

And who's not to say accuracy isn't good out of a GPMG, after all you can only carry so much ammo why not make it count instead of shooting lead all over the place ?? :confused:

Dimitri
 
Vietnam, Carlos Hathcock would eventually be credited with 93 enemy confirmed killed, including one Viet Cong shot dead by a round fired from a scope-mounted Browning M-2 .50 caliber machine gun at the unbelievable range of 2500 yards.
 
Dimitri said:
Can't shoot it if you can't see it.

And who's not to say accuracy isn't good out of a GPMG, after all you can only carry so much ammo why not make it count instead of shooting lead all over the place ?? :confused:

Dimitri
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The gpmg is in service in the military for the one and only goal.. too spray 30 rounds bursts and waste a sh*t load of ammo to scare the crap out of whoever ur shooting at... if it wasnt for that and everyones shot was to "make it count" everyone would be armed with assault rifles. But anyway, thanks for ur feedback everyone
 
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micSarfati said:
ok well i was proven wrong, i guess it can be pretty useful...thanks guys
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Not proven wrong, given enough time this thread will have the same amount of people saying a scope makes sense saying the worst move ever made by the bunch of Office Generals in Ottawa was to put Elcan's on the C9 LMG to make marksmanship scores go up while target practicing. If I remember how someone once put it. :)

Dimitri
 
micSarfati said:
The gpmg is in service in the military for the one and only goal.. too spray 30 rounds bursts and waste a sh*t load of ammo to scare the crap out of whoever ur shooting at...
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Perhaps your right that a GPMG or LMG is only meant to have Infantry soldiers carry 20-30 pound machine gun, Lord knows how many rounds of ammo compared to a normal rifleman and tie up a assistant gunner to carry MORE ammo and barrels to change out, just to scare the enemy! :rolleyes:

Remember US Rifle Teams as early as WW2 were designed to have one Soldier with the BAR (a LMG) and 3 Soldiers to DEFEND the Soldier with the BAR and let the Soldier with the BAR do his job which is to engage the enemy.

How was it put "If you only have 3 soldiers left from the platoon they should all be carrying a BAR" ;)

Dimitri
 
micSarfati said:
The gpmg is in service in the military for the one and only goal.. too spray 30 rounds bursts and waste a sh*t load of ammo to scare the crap out of whoever ur shooting at... if it wasnt for that and everyones shot was to "make it count" everyone would be armed with assault rifles. But anyway, thanks for ur feedback everyone
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I sure do hope that you're trolling here.

If not, go get yourself some information on the theory of machine gun fire. Come back and talk to us once you've gotten a handle on beaten zone, danger zone, first strike, and first graze.

A machine gun is a lot more than a belt fed rifle...even if lighter versions are sometimes employed in that manner.
 
Notice too that the HK21E is selective-fire so you can deliver accurate semi-auto fire as well. And that heavy barrel makes for a nice precision platform.
 
Radar said:
Vietnam, Carlos Hathcock would eventually be credited with 93 enemy confirmed killed, including one Viet Cong shot dead by a round fired from a scope-mounted Browning M-2 .50 caliber machine gun at the unbelievable range of 2500 yards.
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You can fire the M2 semi-auto... he wasn't spraying bullet full auto
I didn't like the Elcan on the C9, since the scope mount was on the feed cover, but the Maxi-kite on the C6, the scope mount was on the side, so you didn't have to slam it everytime, and it was quite accurate if you adjust your gas regulator to fire at a slower rate (can't do that with the new one)
 
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I sure do hope that you're trolling here.

If not, go get yourself some information on the theory of machine gun fire. Come back and talk to us once you've gotten a handle on beaten zone, danger zone, first strike, and first graze.

A machine gun is a lot more than a belt fed rifle...even if lighter versions are sometimes employed in that manner.
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-A beaten zone is the area where the rounds are falling on the ground, killing people and breaking things
-A danger zone is before the beaten zone, where the rounds are flying over your head.

Some people here are saying that the gpmg is used as a precision weapon, I beg to differ as i was instructed that it is an area effect weapon. A beaten zone is what i am talking about when i say lead must rain on your target.
 
The purpose of the scope is the same no matter what the firearm is so you can SEE your target at a distance and engage them.

Your not using your GPMG to act as a sniper, but instead you use the scope to allow you to engage the enemy at a distance more effectively at a distance.

Dimitri
 
Dimitri said:
Perhaps your right that a GPMG or LMG is only meant to have Infantry soldiers carry 20-30 pound machine gun, Lord knows how many rounds of ammo compared to a normal rifleman and tie up a assistant gunner to carry MORE ammo and barrels to change out, just to scare the enemy! :rolleyes:

Remember US Rifle Teams as early as WW2 were designed to have one Soldier with the BAR (a LMG) and 3 Soldiers to DEFEND the Soldier with the BAR and let the Soldier with the BAR do his job which is to engage the enemy.

How was it put "If you only have 3 soldiers left from the platoon they should all be carrying a BAR" ;)

Dimitri
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I know the concept of LMG's and GPMG's... I have gone through my time in classrooms and ranges learning about it I do not need more lectures... the LMG is the support weapon of the section and the GPMG is the support weapon of the platoon....now both of these weapons are again... area effect weapons, which yes SCARES your enemy as they see buddy being shredded by lead next to them and everything around them shatter into pieces..as they are in the beaten zone... yes they do most of the killing, which in facts scares the SH*t out of your enemy....

Dimitri, I mentionned that in my second post... to initially spot your target, which is why i said i was proven wrong...

sarge said:
Scope on a GPMG?, that's what tracer is for and GPMG is a general term.
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koalorka said:
Notice too that the HK21E is selective-fire so you can deliver accurate semi-auto fire as well. And that heavy barrel makes for a nice precision platform.
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Thanks, I was wondering about the fire selector.
 
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