Scope on GPMG???

w squared said:
Close, but no cigar.

Essentially, the danger zone is the area where a round would strike a standing soldier. The area between where the trajectory of the rounds brings them down to head height, and the edge of the beaten zone closest to the gun.

Thus this is the area between "first strike" and "first graze"

The diagram that you've been given is a misleading oversimplification. The trajectory of the rounds is never actually flat. From the moment they leave the barrel, gravity is acting on them. They begin to drop as soon as they leave the barrel. The gunner angles the gun upward to counteract this, and allow the rounds to strike the intended point of aim 800 meters downrange. At longer ranges, this "arc" becomes more pronounced. The danger zone only begins when this "arc" approaches to within man-height of the ground.
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Thanks a lot for the whole explanation, i guess i was oversimplifically mislead then;)
 
KevinB said:
Nope -- while it may make you and your team feel good - aimed fire is the only fire that counts this day and age...
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I'd take that a step further. Its the only fire that's ever counted. Some folk simply conveniently chose to forget that. Others still don't seem to get it.

5: Face to face with the enemy, the most precious thing is ammunition. The man who fires aimlessly merely to reassure himself has no guts. He is a weakling and does not deserve the name of "Paratrooper.
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Just to make it clear also, by spray and pray i ment long bursts but also aimed.... I was obviously never thought to just hold at the hip and swipe from right to left.... just making sure im not being taken as an idiot here
 
KevinB said:
Well I was going to make my own thread - as I just did on a few other forums but....

Recently BigRed went on leave and left me a new toy to play with.
I bigged some of the guys who have experience with it - and have been trying to negotiate with BigRed for a permament loan :D
I had seen the mythical beast previous - having gotten a short fam fire with it in the early 90's at Connaught, and had seen the Greek Cypriot SF with its younger brother the Hk23 while in Cyprus.

Whats not to like about a closed bolt, belt fed 7.62 gun? Its not GPMG - but it does have a QCB - and there is a LW (and Short) Para barrel for it - and currently negotiating for one. Its about 16lbs -- so about 4lbs less than my carbine ;)




I am awaiting Aimpoints new machine gun optic - the T-1 Micro on the Matech BIS base which will give you adjustment out to 600m - as while the Short Dot is an excellent tool - I have one on my carbine -- and for most urban usage of this gun as a dismount support weapon the smaller (and lighter) CCO will be advantageous.
Magpul is currently working a stock for this one (several like its unique abilties - so its not just a KevinB niche market ;) ) -- and I am trying to figure out a ligth mount for it so I can add a vis light.
It takes both the US (NATO) disintegrating link belt - and the german (RPD/PKM like) non disintergrating belt -- I run a short teaser belt in the car (we have M240's that use it as well) and I got a german fixed belt in my buggout bag, plus our 240 ammo bags.
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Thanks Kevin. You should start that new thread when you take it to the range. A short vid would be inspiring also.;)
 
micSarfati said:
I was asking about that scpecific gun... my question was does anyone know more about this H&K and why it has a scope....i know i have a lot more to learn... its just that a lot of what ive learnt up to now is contradictory to what some people on this thread have written.
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We all have much to learn. But you're not going to learn if you have the attitude that you already know it all. It was obvious that you were still confused about the terminology if not the theory. Perhaps it was your instructor who mis-explained it but these classes are pretty much prefabbed and have been reviewed for content.
Enjoy your course.:)
 
Purpose of Optics on GPMG's or LMG's that I was taught over 4 years in a weapon det, was to use it to acquire targets then use the tracers to walk in the rounds using the optic to spot the fall of the rounds....

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RobertMcC said:
Purpose of Optics on GPMG's or LMG's that I was taught over 4 years in a weapon det, was to use it to acquire targets then use the tracers to walk in the rounds using the optic to spot the fall of the rounds....

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Yeah, Maxi-kite on a C6. That on a tripod was freakin precise (for those who don't know, can't have both the maxi-kite and the C2 sight at the same time)
too bad they all have the new gas regulator, I like the old one
Look like your C2 sight got shaken a bit (by the look of the case)

nice pic
 
CZ85Combat said:
Yeah, Maxi-kite on a C6. That on a tripod was freakin precise (for those who don't know, can't have both the maxi-kite and the C2 sight at the same time)
too bad they all have the new gas regulator, I like the old one
Look like your C2 sight got shaken a bit (by the look of the case)

nice pic
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I was a GPMG gunner for a few years. Before that I was a C9 LMG gunner and got very accustomed to using my Elcan to sight my targets and then watch the fall of shot so I could adjust if need be. I tried it later with the GPMG and found it quite effective. With the Elcan I could see things that were near invisible with iron sights alone. As for the whole misconception of the C9 and GPMG being "spray and pray" weapons I call BS on that. With a short aimed burst I could do more damage than just holding the trigger down and hosing an area. Bullets go where you aim them, not where you wish them to go.
 
Yeah, she looks a little warm! :D
I love it when the barrel gets hot enough that you can actually see the rounds going through!
Night vision's funny, cuz once the gun warms up it glows :p

CZ85Combat said:
Wow that C6 has seen lot's of action...
Notice the color of the barrel and the gas tube
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that's exactly what a scope is good for on a machine gun...your initial burts is very likely to hit the enemy and then you just watch your tracer and splash and adjust from there, without it you could very well miss the enemy initially and he has time to dive for cover/return fire..a scope is a good idea..but not necessarily in urban areas/turrets..however in a dug in defensive position absolutely, and alot of people make good points about the GPMG not being a spray and pray with proper fire control you would be surprised the level of accuracy that can be achieved..it all depends on what you want to do with the weapon.
 
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