scope too low?? sako85

I did a fair bit of research on this in the past as I was having that problem with a Sako 85 in Magnum Length action. The issue is caused by high variances in the extractor claw dimensions. The ones that don't eject properly have too much space between the bolt face and the extractor claw. This makes the case eject vertically when it's hit by the ejector. Notice how the 85 has the ejector at the 6 o'clock position, that's the true design flaw. A tight fit between the claw and the bolt face sends the case sideways as it should. A loose fit sends it upwards into the scope.

This also explains why some 85s have the issue and some don't. It's all in the extractor claw dimensions and tolerances. The only way to fix this properly, and permanently, is to have a smith custom fit an extractor claw to the tightest possible dimensions. Too tight of a fit will impair the control feed so there needs to be a balance. Or buy a bunch of extractors and hope one of them will have the proper dimensions. Of course Stoeger / Beretta will deny this and refuse to help. Maybe you can find a smith with a bunch of extractor claws on hand so they can see if one fits better.

In my case, the problem was solved by using a NEAR rail. Beautiful piece of engineering. The case hit the rail but would still eject properly. This dinged the case mouths but that would be taken care of with resizing the case. Not ideal but it was a suitable and speedy fix. I do wish I went with a proper extractor instead.

So there you have it. You can either:
1- Have a custom extractor fitted.
2- Try your luck with a bunch of different extractors hoping one of them will fit properly.
3- Use a NEAR rail to protect the scope.

As previously mentioned, I'm not having this issue with my Tikkas now.
 
And the real ####TY part about the whole deal is SAKO says there is NO problem and will NOT repair this under warranty....:(
 
RangerPark said:
I did a fair bit of research on this in the past as I was having that problem with a Sako 85 in Magnum Length action. The issue is caused by high variances in the extractor claw dimensions. The ones that don't eject properly have too much space between the bolt face and the extractor claw. This makes the case eject vertically when it's hit by the ejector. Notice how the 85 has the ejector at the 6 o'clock position, that's the true design flaw. A tight fit between the claw and the bolt face sends the case sideways as it should. A loose fit sends it upwards into the scope.

This also explains why some 85s have the issue and some don't. It's all in the extractor claw dimensions and tolerances. The only way to fix this properly, and permanently, is to have a smith custom fit an extractor claw to the tightest possible dimensions. Too tight of a fit will impair the control feed so there needs to be a balance. Or buy a bunch of extractors and hope one of them will have the proper dimensions. Of course Stoeger / Beretta will deny this and refuse to help. Maybe you can find a smith with a bunch of extractor claws on hand so they can see if one fits better.

In my case, the problem was solved by using a NEAR rail. Beautiful piece of engineering. The case hit the rail but would still eject properly. This dinged the case mouths but that would be taken care of with resizing the case. Not ideal but it was a suitable and speedy fix. I do wish I went with a proper extractor instead.

So there you have it. You can either:
1- Have a custom extractor fitted.
2- Try your luck with a bunch of different extractors hoping one of them will fit properly.
3- Use a NEAR rail to protect the scope.

As previously mentioned, I'm not having this issue with my Tikkas now.
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further to this, I did read that because Europe is sako's main market they use a one size fits most extractor which works well on popular euro cartridges. Apparently the 06 has a thin rim compared to some of those.Too much of a hassle for them to make extractors specific to the cartridge the rifle is chambered in I guess. Kind of a joke they cant do this when asking $2500/ per rifle.
Ive ordered a stronger spring and some medium rings , ill update if this is the fix for mine.
 
I think having the ejector at 6 o'clock on a rifle using a scope may not be the best choice. The picture of the Sako bolt.with the plunger ejector looks much better engineered .
 
well I never had to resort to a hammer lol , I put some higher rings on and problem went away.. if it even was a problem ..thinking now it is just a SAKO thing that you cant use low or xtra low rings for the 3006 finnlite and a fat scope.. live and learn
 
I don't recall having this issue with any of my crappy Remington 700's and scopes so low you could only get a fake federal reserve note under it.

Sorry, but had to :d:d
 
RangerPark said:
I did a fair bit of research on this in the past as I was having that problem with a Sako 85 in Magnum Length action. The issue is caused by high variances in the extractor claw dimensions. The ones that don't eject properly have too much space between the bolt face and the extractor claw. This makes the case eject vertically when it's hit by the ejector. Notice how the 85 has the ejector at the 6 o'clock position, that's the true design flaw. A tight fit between the claw and the bolt face sends the case sideways as it should. A loose fit sends it upwards into the scope.

This also explains why some 85s have the issue and some don't. It's all in the extractor claw dimensions and tolerances. The only way to fix this properly, and permanently, is to have a smith custom fit an extractor claw to the tightest possible dimensions. Too tight of a fit will impair the control feed so there needs to be a balance. Or buy a bunch of extractors and hope one of them will have the proper dimensions. Of course Stoeger / Beretta will deny this and refuse to help. Maybe you can find a smith with a bunch of extractor claws on hand so they can see if one fits better.

In my case, the problem was solved by using a NEAR rail. Beautiful piece of engineering. The case hit the rail but would still eject properly. This dinged the case mouths but that would be taken care of with resizing the case. Not ideal but it was a suitable and speedy fix. I do wish I went with a proper extractor instead.

So there you have it. You can either:
1- Have a custom extractor fitted.
2- Try your luck with a bunch of different extractors hoping one of them will fit properly.
3- Use a NEAR rail to protect the scope.

As previously mentioned, I'm not having this issue with my Tikkas now.
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Yup. Exactly. My M85 Kodiak .375 and my M85 Bavarian 7x64 both ejected at such a steep angle upwards that the case hit the scope and sometimes the rifle jammed. Clearance between claw and rim of the case was 0.015" or so. Enough so that momentum "upwards " was too much when the 6 o'clock ejector hit the base of the case. I got a skilled machinist to make a couple of new extractors for me. Both rifles are currently fitted with low mounted scopes and work perfectly. The difference was the new extractor that had only 0.005" clearance between claw and bolt face when a cartridge was extracted. The fix cost me less than $50 each. You'd think Sako would see the light and make proper extractors for a rifle that is otherwise excellent.
 
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