scout mounting a red dot *editied/corrected*

Fenix.NZ

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im looking to mount a red dot forward of the action, nearly towards the front of the handguard but an aimpoint compM2 would run be $675 NZD .. and a T-1 Micro will cost me twice that much.. T-1 was my ideal choice..

i stumbled upon the Millet SP2 , anyone have experience with these to comment ?

or feel free to make recomendations also
 
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Even better is a red dot mounted in the traditional scope position IMHO. Two eye shooting and target acquisition are super easy and fast.
 
Can't agree with you there...far out on the gun as you can get it has worked best for me. Two eye shooting...still there and target acquisition is faster that with a close in optic.

I think you will find most guys mount them pretty far forward as that is the fastest way to get on target.
 
Yea everyone is different, I find with unmagnified optics that when they are far forward its difficult to get a clear dot on the target. With the optic close I find that I just look and shoot, further down the barrel and I have to close one eye. I'm pretty much ambi so this may be why my brain has trouble deciding which eye is dominant.
 
I mounted an aimpoint micro in the scout position with my own tactical scout mount, it sits super low and it's very efective and fast. Cheekveld is ok, I have a cheekrest on mine for when using the leupold on there with an arms18. Othervise the cheekrest is lowered when only using the micro. Also using a GI fiberglass stock. I have pics if someone would like to post.
 
When the aimpoint micro came out I was mega excited to try it out in exactly the application you describe. My first kick at the cat was exactly as rooster33 did, using his mount which I have a couple laying around....range report was very favorably until the little sight started smoking from the adjustment wells!! This was after approximately 30 rounds fired in service rifle rapid fire practice session and was enough to scare me off the micro in this application. What I run now for a scout scope on my M1As are regular aimpoint comp M3 or M4s (2 MOA dot is what is important to me) sitting on Ultimak rails. This configuration allows for co-witness with the iron sights in the lower 1/3 of the aimpoint tube or the option to look slightly above the rear sight and see the aimpoint dot centered in the tube.


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Good luck!

EDITED TO ADD: I LOVE the rooster33 mount and think that for an aimpoint application it is superior to the ultimak rail in every regard other than it is a little too high to allow co-witnessing as illustrated in the above photographs. Were there ever to be a rev2 of the Rooster Scout Mount that was low enough to allow this I would be buying a half dozen of them in a heartbeat....hint hint hint!

Brobee
 
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One point on the Ultimak. Although I really like the mount there is one issue with it that I don't like. The mounting points on the barrel are not tapered to follow the taper of the barrel. This means that it doesn't sit at "zero" or anywhere near zero. For most shooters this doesn't mean much but if you want to get picky it is a flaw, especially considering all the effort they put into the underside of the mount.

This may only be an issue with the Norc rifle barrels IDK.
 
hmmmmmmm eotech or aimpoint.......... what a dilema i find myself faced with....... recommendations?? , never owned a holo sight/red dot sight except back in my paintball days...... and yes it's going on an m14, troy mcs equiped
 
Brobee, not sure which one u have, but it is rev 2, it is considerably lower then rev 1. Sean will post some pics for me, maybe you can tell from the pics which one u have.
45ACP eotech or aimpoint, both are good, I would recomend the aimpoint simply because it is lighter. It is sitting on top of an already heavy M14.
 
For rooster33:
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Aimpoint is nice, I have a micro and an eotech here right now and the aimpoint is much lighter, but the eotech is not heavy by any means.

I like the Eotech reticle pattern more then the aimpoint so really its all up to you. You will spend less then the eotech and it will be ready to mount at an appropriate height for the Troy. Nice thing about the aimpoint is battery life is measured in years.
 
that mount is exactly what i was going to make for mine, unless rooster is willing to post one to NZ :p

heat transfer from the barrell was one thing i was worried about , obviously the micro has a problem with it, mounted this way .

my rifle build isnt life or death,, so i dont think i need an aimpoint, which was why i was lookin at the millet SP2
 
No problem shipping to NZ.
I don't remember my micro smoking, and I never go to the range with less then 50-100 rnds. Not sure how many I fired in a string. Once the snow melts I'll have to see if I can get mine to smoke. Brobee did you have the caps off or on? And which model micro was urs? I'll have to burn through at least 30 rnds maybe more considering the low temp:) 5 rnds at a time that is :(
 
Felix.NZ....if rooster is no longer making his mount (check with him as I don't know the answer to this...it is no longer available from brownells) send me your mailing address via PM and I will throw one in the mail for you.

rooster33 - I was unaware there are different heights! I have a large number of your mounts bought over the last several years (some from you, others from brownells, and some from EE users). I will dig them up and have a look. I don't remember any of them having the ability to co-witness with the irons when using a standard aimpoint low mount but perhaps all I have are the older versions.....

misanthropist - with the ultimak rail and the low aimpoint mount: the red dot is visible through the irons through the complete range of rear sight travel. As you dial the elevation knob up, the red dot appears higher and higher over the front sight post. I find this very useful for 400, 500 and 600 meter shooting as it gives me a visual reference for where the dot needs to be held in the holdover department. As the dot is much more fine than the front sight post, I find it helps me considerably with accurate long distance fire. Also, with the ultimak rail as low as it is cheekweld with a standard unmodified USGI stock is as close to the original design as possible when looking over the rear sight, and bang on what it should be when using the iron sights. This has also helped me a great deal in shooting past 200 yards.

Brobee
 
rooster - we must have been simul-typing and you are faster on the post button than I am!

Re - Smoke coming out of my aimpoint micro - It was summer when this happened (20 degrees outside) and the caps were definately on. While I liked the aimpoint micro I was worried that that kind of heat (especially if I ever went on a 40 or 50 round string) might melt some of the soldered connections in the sight. Before trying the aimpoint micro I'd mostly been running an aimpoint M3 2MOA and had never had it get too hot to touch, which the aimpoint micro definately was. When I took delivery of my first ultimak rail I excitedly re-affixed the aimpoint micro however after discovering that the ultimak situated the standard aimpoint low enough to allow the bottom 1/3 co-witness with the standard aimpoint I wound up changing back to the standard aimpoint. While I loved the smaller footprint of the micro, because it had a smaller tube than the standard aimpoint it was not as good when looking over the rear sight aperature for use in 0 to 200 yard type shooting. Add to that the micro's lack of flip open lens covers and it's noticibly larger dot and I was sold on the full size aimpoint. My micros are now earmarked for my swiss arms rifles. Models are Micro T1 Military.

re - height of rooster mount rev2 - with a standard aimpoint mount can you see the dot and front sight post througt the rear aperature?

Felix - Rooster33's mount will butt up against the back edge of the op rod guide. It cannot go any further forwards however where it is is, IMHO, an ideal spot for a scout mounted aimpoint.
 
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ill settle for the back edge of the oprod guide :D beggars cant be choosers huh

i would love a compM3 aimpoint.. but i dont think i can justify the price.. the only downfall i can find in the millet SP2 is a 5moa dot :eek: ..
hopefully i can get it to cowitness with the irons for longer range shots
 
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