Scout Rifle

Brian46 said:
Mossberg scout? If you mean MVP patrol, I can tell you that you will never make it function like the Steyr, I had both, sold the patrol shortly after receiving it
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mossberg mvp scout Cabelas carries them, I don't now if I wold ever buy it just saying Mann has stated he put over 2000 rounds through it without a problem and took it to Affrica Hunting. I thought coming from Mann this cheapest scout rifle that is offered on the market must have some credit;)
 
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Another option is to create a "pseudo-scout" or "general purpose" rifle. Similar to a scout rifle, but with fewer constraints.

I recently "built" such a creature:

* Tikka T3X Compact Lite .308 - barrel cut to 18.6"
* Re-looped an old BFG sling so it could be used as a Rhodesian sling
* Leupold 1.5-4 "Patrol" optic with QR rings on EGW Picatinny rail
* 3X 5 round magazines
* Ammo carrier on stock

This rifle is both shorter and lighter than my Steyr Scout. The reticle is very quick to acquire and the optic is suitable for both close-in and distance work. Is it a "scout" rifle - no. No backup irons, no 3 point sling (but the Rhodesian sling is almost the same), and no IER scope (not my favorite part of the scout philosophy). Given the price of the package, I could buy a Vortex Sparc (or equivalent) as a "backup" optic.
 
Browning's idea of what seems to be a Scout rifle? The tactical-looking Browning BLR Black Label Take-Down seems to meet most of the Scout Rifle requirements. Available in 308 (and 223). My (pseudo) Scout rifle is a stainless laminate take-down BLR in 358 Winchester with a Leupold IER 2.5x scope. Totes nicely.
http://www.browning.com/products/firearms/rifles/blr/limited-availability/blr-black-label-monte-carlo-take-down.html

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machman said:
Funny, in his book "The Art of the Rifle" Jeff Cooper doesn't sing the Enfield's praises...
for the fastest, smoothest bolt he recommends the Krag rifle. Check out videos of Norwegian "Stangskyting" if you want to see some fast bolt action shooting.
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Again a comprehension issue here. Re read my post, nowhere did I say the Enfield was THE FASTEST, I said it is ONE OF THE FASTEST. The shooting style you mentioned involves purpose built rifles not an off the shelf hunting or service rifle. The Krag is too long and too heavy to make the cut whereas a No5 Jungle carbine Enfield could arguably be a scout rifle.


1riot1ranger said:
Another option is to create a "pseudo-scout" or "general purpose" rifle. Similar to a scout rifle, but with fewer constraints.

I recently "built" such a creature:

* Tikka T3X Compact Lite .308 - barrel cut to 18.6"
* Re-looped an old BFG sling so it could be used as a Rhodesian sling
* Leupold 1.5-4 "Patrol" optic with QR rings on EGW Picatinny rail
* 3X 5 round magazines
* Ammo carrier on stock

This rifle is both shorter and lighter than my Steyr Scout. The reticle is very quick to acquire and the optic is suitable for both close-in and distance work. Is it a "scout" rifle - no. No backup irons, no 3 point sling (but the Rhodesian sling is almost the same), and no IER scope (not my favorite part of the scout philosophy). Given the price of the package, I could buy a Vortex Sparc (or equivalent) as a "backup" optic.
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A 3 point sling is not necessary for the scout setup. The IER scope is also not a requirement. Cooper felt it would be beneficial to use an IER scope if your rifle was fed by stripper clips into a blind magazine. With a detachable box magazine there is no need for the IER setup.
 
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So what about semi autos and something other than M14 because of weight, what about something that is close to Coopers design but revamped? Not interested in restricted so easier to carry in Canada. Is there anything out there?
 
Kidd X said:
Again a comprehension issue here. Re read my post, nowhere did I say the Enfield was THE FASTEST, I said it is ONE OF THE FASTEST. The shooting style you mentioned involves purpose built rifles not an off the shelf hunting or service rifle. The Krag is too long and too heavy to make the cut whereas a No5 Jungle carbine Enfield could arguably be a scout rifle.
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No comprehension issue, you brought up the LE as a faster shooter in response to a video posted on a Steyr Scout rifle running a course. I merely pointer out that the Krag was faster, as well as being specifically recommended by Cooper in his book Art of the Rifle as a Scout rifle. You do know that there is such a thing as a Krag carbine don't you? Here is a direct Cooper quote:"One of the underappreciated triumphs of the 19th century is the Krag rifle, whose action is still the smoothest and fastest to load".
 
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shooterm said:
So what about semi autos and something other than M14 because of weight, what about something that is close to Coopers design but revamped? Not interested in restricted so easier to carry in Canada. Is there anything out there?
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Just an FYI about rifle weights, I just threw the (lightened) M305 that I posted in post 21 on a kitchen scale, with sling and empty 5 round magazine and it came out at 9lbs, 12oz. (I'm old, so I don't prefer metric). Not a ridiculously heavy semi-auto rifle. A sporterized Norwegian Krag carbine came in at 7lbs even.
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shooterm said:
mossberg mvp scout Cabelas carries them, I don't now if I wold ever buy it just saying Mann has stated he put over 2000 rounds through it without a problem and took it to Affrica Hunting. I thought coming from Mann this cheapest scout rifle that is offered on the market must have some credit;)
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looks like a patrol with the addition of a rail

I can tell you this, the bolt was horrible, very sloppy and notchy to the point of binding up even without any shells. Magazine lock up was poor and sloppy, I actually had a magazine fall out with regular handling of the rifle. I had a first generation and was thoroughly disappointed with the stock being painted wood and very heavy compared to the later synthetics
 
That's to bad. I have been looking at reviews about the mossberg,savage and ruger the factory built scouts and there are the goods and the bads with them to.
 
Brian46 said:
Mossberg scout? If you mean MVP patrol, I can tell you that you will never make it function like the Steyr, I had both, sold the patrol shortly after receiving it
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Everybody knows there's the Steyr Scout... and then the other Scouts.

It's really the best all-purpose rifle.
 
Totally agree about the steyr. Yes u get what u pay for. Do you think my kids and wife would understand if had to cancell Disney world because I bought a steyr. Lol
 
shooterm said:
Totally agree about the steyr. Yes u get what u pay for. Do you think my kids and wife would understand if had to cancell Disney world because I bought a steyr. Lol
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All I'm saying is you go for something cheaper, eventually you will regret the purchase, take a loss by selling it then buy the Steyr.

Or you can save up until you can afford the Steyr, of which you will keep for the rest of your life.

Both ways ends up with the same result but the first way costs you more.

"Buy cheap, buy twice."
 
mebiuspower said:
All I'm saying is you go for something cheaper, eventually you will regret the purchase, take a loss by selling it then buy the Steyr.

Or you can save up until you can afford the Steyr, of which you will keep for the rest of your life.

Both ways ends up with the same result but the first way costs you more.

"Buy cheap, buy twice."
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I second this principle, in general. I've learned it through firearms purchases, but have since applied it to all facets of life. Well, more the "buy once, cry once", but same idea.
 
So like the title says I know its not precision but this is suppossed to be the all around rifle from hunting, defence, sniping, SHFT and battle rifle.
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Which is why it is lackluster in all those roles, except perhaps hunting. The "scout rifle" is a cool sounding concept but it was 100 years out of date when it was written.


G.Mitchell said:
I've got a Ruger Gunsite which I really like. I had a VZ58 setup with forward "scout" red dot which I liked too.

What I want is more of a RECCE style semi auto for my "scout" rifle.
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This seems like the best idea. An SKS if you're on a budget. Maybe also those 762x39 M305s? Are they any good? That NEA102 is also coming out, we'll see how it performs and what the price tag is.
 
Got to hold a ruger scout and savage scout today no steyr though didn't have any. But I have to say the 2 felt nice both had advantages and disadvantages for me oh and I got to hold the mossberg it was short looked cool surprisingly the bolt was smooth. But don't worry though it wasn't for me. If I had to choose between this ruger and savage I don't know what I would pick
 
I'm happy with my Ruger, blued with 16 inch barrel and Leupold 3-9X VX-R Patrol in A.R.M.S. throw lever rings. Ruger polymer 10 rd mags as the metal 10 rd is a little long and has a distinctive ringing sound when used.
 
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