Scout Rifle

GUB said:
I went with the Savage. same mags as my 10TR, accustock and accutrigger
Quality is just fine, No need to pay more for a Steyr
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I love the steyr, But I definitely don't see a anything wrong with the savage or rugger both great brands. I was looking a magazine availability for both. How much and where did you find mags for the savage
 
shooterm said:
Where did you find the mags and how much if you don't mind me asking
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I ordered 6 mags from Brownells. 5x10 rounders and 1x5 rounder. Don't recall the cost, but they are on the Brownells website.

EDIT: just checked Brownells website, 10 rounders are 32.00 USD, 3 and 5 rounders are 31 USD.

Cabelas has the 10 rounders for 60.00 CAD
 
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Kidd X said:
Again a comprehension issue here. Re read my post, nowhere did I say the Enfield was THE FASTEST, I said it is ONE OF THE FASTEST. The shooting style you mentioned involves purpose built rifles not an off the shelf hunting or service rifle. The Krag is too long and too heavy to make the cut whereas a No5 Jungle carbine Enfield could arguably be a scout rifle.




A 3 point sling is not necessary for the scout setup. The IER scope is also not a requirement. Cooper felt it would be beneficial to use an IER scope if your rifle was fed by stripper clips into a blind magazine. With a detachable box magazine there is no need for the IER setup.
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IER also allows more peripheral vision while using it, another Cooper point. - dan
 
machman said:
No comprehension issue, you brought up the LE as a faster shooter in response to a video posted on a Steyr Scout rifle running a course. I merely pointer out that the Krag was faster, as well as being specifically recommended by Cooper in his book Art of the Rifle as a Scout rifle. You do know that there is such a thing as a Krag carbine don't you? Here is a direct Cooper quote:"One of the underappreciated triumphs of the 19th century is the Krag rifle, whose action is still the smoothest and fastest to load".
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Wrong again. Another member(shooterm) asked about the speed of the bolt for a scout type rifle and was comparing it to the Enfield. I responded saying "The Enfield is one of the fastest cycling bolts around." Nowhere did I say it was the fastest or faster than any specific rifle. Cooper didn't sing it's praises for his own reasons which I frankly don't care about. The krag carbine is still too long and too heavy to qualify, the Krag also has a very slow and cumbersome feeding method when compared to stripper clips(which the Krag doesn't use) or a detachable box magazine. the Krag is fast due to its single locking lug on the bolt. The scout concept is a no brainer but Cooper wrote out his criteria for one whether that be for better or worse. I suspect Coopers' criteria is largely based on what was available at the time and what could be fashioned into a scout rifle with minimal cost or work. For all the good that Cooper put out there are plenty if his opinions/ideologies that are either plain wrong or grossly outdated.
 
Kidd X said:
Wrong again. Another member(shooterm) asked about the speed of the bolt for a scout type rifle and was comparing it to the Enfield. I responded saying "The Enfield is one of the fastest cycling bolts around." Nowhere did I say it was the fastest or faster than any specific rifle. Cooper didn't sing it's praises for his own reasons which I frankly don't care about. The krag carbine is still too long and too heavy to qualify, the Krag also has a very slow and cumbersome feeding method when compared to stripper clips(which the Krag doesn't use) or a detachable box magazine. the Krag is fast due to its single locking lug on the bolt. The scout concept is a no brainer but Cooper wrote out his criteria for one whether that be for better or worse. I suspect Coopers' criteria is largely based on what was available at the time and what could be fashioned into a scout rifle with minimal cost or work. For all the good that Cooper put out there are plenty if his opinions/ideologies that are either plain wrong or grossly outdated.
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You've got to keep in mind that the Scout Rifle concept was Cooper's, and was codified by Cooper. If you don't like Cooper's concept any more, that's fine, go ahead and modernize it to suit yourself, just don't call it a Scout Rifle anymore. Anything outside of Cooper's definition can only aspire to pseudo-scout status.
 
So looking at the Ruger scout it comes in the 16inch and change barrel come in black laminate which is a pound lighter. But also has option of stainless or blued barrel. Anyone know disadvantages and advantages between the two barrels. I like them both.
 
Astute Observer said:
Got a Ruger Gunsite Scout in .308... It's not a "five rounds in one hole at 100m" type rifle but it's definitely accurate enough to hit a critter out to 400m or more. I can get 1.0 to 1.5 MOA consistently with my handloads (can't remember the exact recipe, it's written down but I don't have that paper with me at the moment, but it's 168 gr Hornady BTHP).
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To update, here's a recent pair of groups with the most successful recipe I use for < 1 MOA in a Ruger Gunsite Scout, 18.5" stainless barrel with no barrel threads or flash hider. I installed an XS rail, and used a Trijicon Accupoint 1-4x with the crosshairs (not the triangle reticle)

168 Gr Hornady BTHP Match
43.0 grains Varget
CCI 200 primers
2.184" to the Ogive

Groups were 0.982" and 0.946" at 100m. Barely made sub-MOA. I'll do more experimenting with this load, it's promising. I fired these groups using a harris bipod and a rear bag.

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shooterm said:
So looking at the Ruger scout it comes in the 16inch and change barrel come in black laminate which is a pound lighter. But also has option of stainless or blued barrel. Anyone know disadvantages and advantages between the two barrels. I like them both.
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Stainless would be more moisture resistant in the long run, but otherwise they should shoot identically. I like the look of the stainless personally, and wish I had the synthetic stock and threaded barrel to go with it.
 
Nice shooting how far have you pushed it out to? I like the looks of both barrels as well one says tactic cool the other has a little bling to it.
 
shooterm said:
Nice shooting how far have you pushed it out to?
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Thanks - I just got into handloading this spring, so I've mostly shot junk surplus ammo out of the Ruger Gunsite Scout until recently, and I was underwhelmed with the surplus ammo's performance. I decided since I was handloading for a precision .308, I would try to find a recipe for the Ruger, and I wasn't disappointed. Sadly I've only pushed the handloads out to 100m, just to keep my load development consistent. But the farthest I've shot the surplus ammo was 200m, and it was about 6" - 8" groups. I am confident that out to 300m this would still be a 1MOA shooter with handloaded 168s, of course you always have to account for the wind. But heavier bullets with a higher Ballistic Coefficient than your typical 7.62mm surplus should fight the effect of the wind better.

Anyways, I am pretty confident that the Ruger Scout can be a satisfactorily accurate rifle in a very light package.
 
If I get one I think it would be fun to try out to 500m but 300 is probably the farthest I would shoot. I am used to bush hunting with clearings at larger around 200m. So the scout would be great. Do you think there is a big difference between the 18in and 16in barrel for range?
I read some about it on the google and it seems mixed, but the synthetic stock with 16in barrel is definitely lighter.
 
shooterm said:
If I get one I think it would be fun to try out to 500m but 300 is probably the farthest I would shoot. I am used to bush hunting with clearings at larger around 200m. So the scout would be great. Do you think there is a big difference between the 18in and 16in barrel for range?
I read some about it on the google and it seems mixed, but the synthetic stock with 16in barrel is definitely lighter.
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I bought mine years ago, when only the 18.5" ones were in Canada. If I were to buy one today, I'd go for the 16 inch barrel personally. I have a precision rifle with a 24" barrel, I'll use that for long range shooting. The whole point of the scout is maneuverability and mobility. I couldn't comment on how much velocity the scout would lose as the barrel gets shorter because I can't experiment with it myself - but there are studies that have been done on barrel length and velocity, as well as barrel length and accuracy.

Study on barrel length effect on accuracy as well as velocity:
http://www.wideopenspaces.com/the-truth-about-barrel-length-muzzle-velocity-and-accuracy/

Study on barrel length on velocity only:
http://rifleshooter.com/2014/12/308...ato-barrel-length-versus-velocity-28-to-16-5/
 
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