Only once in 30 years, hunting moose, did I have a person walk up on me and made me feel uncomfortable,I was sitting and he was standing.What I mean was his questions were weird and I could tell he was sizing me up.I've been robbed before so I know of what I speak.If his gun barrel was angling another 6 inches closer to my person my hunting knife (which my hand was on already) was looking for a new sheath quickly. First and last time this ever happened and it was in Canada and I've hunted in the United States many times and never had this happen to me again.
Self defense while hunting?
- Thread starter BSproff
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- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
If you're already carrying a rifle, it should be one that is suitable to resolve any problems you encounter, if you end up wishing you had a different rifle, you've made a mistake somewhere along the line. Carrying handguns for defensive use is not something I have a problem with, particularly since I do it myself; the question is, does having one on your hip make you any better armed than you would be with just your shotgun or rifle? Have you worked out a plan so that you know how close a dangerous animal can get before you press the trigger? What will you aim for? Are you confident and competent enough to know that you will shoot well under stress? Can you manage the gun you intend to carry? Thirty foot-pounds of recoil in a rifle is one thing, in a handgun its something else entirely. There is a mindset out there that insists that for defense purposes only the biggest will do, when the correct answer may well be a .357 or even a 9mm. Choose the biggest gun you can shoot quickly and shoot well.
Hand to hand or in close quarter work a rifle is a club that's it.Personally I would like a high capacity handgun in a smaller caliber for rapid fire recovery (all steel so when empty a club) and a knife in close dancing situations.
Halal would mean you had to kill it with out stunning first which would make for a pretty exciting deer hunt. Wonder if you could use a pack of dogs to help you corner it.
Wrong Way
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That's the easy part....getting the deer to face Mecca while simultaneously reciting a prayer to Allah and slitting it's throat is where it gets tricky....
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
The point of a having a firearm is that it allows you to land a decisive blow from a distance. If you wait to until its time to got hand to hand with a bear you're about to have a bad day. There's a local fellow here who could tell you all about it, after he went after a polar bear who was mauling a girl, when all he had was an aluminum snow shovel as a weapon.
People think this kind of question is stupid because you are already carrying a firearm, but what they don't realize
as in the case of deer hunting, is that you are walking through the woods in the dark and the hunting regs state
that you must have you rifle cased and unloaded...
Spooked at least one large animal when trying to get to my stand in the dark.
A flashlight and sawed-off shotgun would have been needed if the animal (which I'm still not sure what it was)
had attacked, instead of snorting and taking off.
as in the case of deer hunting, is that you are walking through the woods in the dark and the hunting regs state
that you must have you rifle cased and unloaded...
Spooked at least one large animal when trying to get to my stand in the dark.
A flashlight and sawed-off shotgun would have been needed if the animal (which I'm still not sure what it was)
had attacked, instead of snorting and taking off.
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Ontario, you can't have two firearms on you while hunting. IF you have more than one , the others have to be stored away.
When I hunt small game during the day, I use my SxS; one barrel has shot the other a slug.
If the shot kills instantly the dear would be Halal with out the necessity of the slaughter assuming that the hunter was Muslim or Ahle Kitab.
The use of dogs most cases as well is also ok with some restrictions.
In both cases you would need to utter the name of Allah before taking the shot and/or releasing the dog(s).
Exactly... And for hunters that don't or can't ATV, you are pretty vulnerable while dragging or carrying that bloody deer. The only way around it would be to ensure that your hunt is done before sundown, so that you can walk back to wherever with the loaded gun.
If you're afraid of Yogi when you have a rifle in your hands, you should really stay home.
There is no need for a Coup de grace when hunting either. Make the first shot correctly.
Like Wrong Way says, 'halal' has nothing to do with how a food animal was killed.
There is no need for a Coup de grace when hunting either. Make the first shot correctly.
Like Wrong Way says, 'halal' has nothing to do with how a food animal was killed.
there are folks in this thread that obviously don't spend much time on foot, far from their trucks or quads. I don't say that to insult anyone so please don't take offense.
I've personally had several encounters with dangerous wildlife that I was so fricken lucky things went my way.
bears aren't something I feel I "need" a handgun for but certainly support those who do.
cougars and wolves however are a different ballgame and often you gots no idea they are meters or feet away when the encounter happens.
the result, if a hunter armed with a long gun is able to take defensive action with his rifle, he is focussed on the moving target, not what lays beyond, sending high powered rifle fire at random. the dangers here are obvious.
a sidearm limits the effective range of the gun fire to a self defence vicinity if that makes sense. I feel that it is a far superior and safer means of self defense against an attacking animal vs high powered rifle fire at a close range target.
I've been there, facing down a pack of BC wolves, coming at full speed, straight at me and not stopping. at the same time, I sent 10 rounds of .303 brit god knows where as I emptied my rifle. luckily my hunting partner was some 50 yards off to my right having his mind blown by seeing what was going down LOL
some days I wish I had a video guy following me instead of a hunting partner LOL
and some days I wish I could carry a holstered 1911 45 when I walk the dogs out back..... cougars live in my yard
I've personally had several encounters with dangerous wildlife that I was so fricken lucky things went my way.
bears aren't something I feel I "need" a handgun for but certainly support those who do.
cougars and wolves however are a different ballgame and often you gots no idea they are meters or feet away when the encounter happens.
the result, if a hunter armed with a long gun is able to take defensive action with his rifle, he is focussed on the moving target, not what lays beyond, sending high powered rifle fire at random. the dangers here are obvious.
a sidearm limits the effective range of the gun fire to a self defence vicinity if that makes sense. I feel that it is a far superior and safer means of self defense against an attacking animal vs high powered rifle fire at a close range target.
I've been there, facing down a pack of BC wolves, coming at full speed, straight at me and not stopping. at the same time, I sent 10 rounds of .303 brit god knows where as I emptied my rifle. luckily my hunting partner was some 50 yards off to my right having his mind blown by seeing what was going down LOL
some days I wish I had a video guy following me instead of a hunting partner LOL
and some days I wish I could carry a holstered 1911 45 when I walk the dogs out back..... cougars live in my yard
At my buddies farm, first time I went there to hunt turkeys he told me the regs may say cases and unloaded however I'd be an idiot to not toss in slugs for the walk out in the dark. There are two bear dens on his property (that he knows about) very likely more on the 50 acres he owns that's connected to the 250 his dad own. I could end up in court one day but it's my life not the CO's. Prior to legal hunting time, it's three slugs in the gun on the way out; I'm not carrying for hunting until I get to the stand. Prior to that my gun is for bear defense. If it's not hunting season it's legal to carry a NR 12g for protection. So why not during none hunting times during the season. I have no intention on shooting unless I absolutely have to. That's defense not hunting.
If I am carrying a high powered rifle, I don't need or want a sidearm, as it isn't anywhere near effective at stopping a charging bear. I have been charged by a grizzly, and I did use a high powered rifle to end the charge, so I speak from actual experience. Now if I was fishing or bow hunting, I would like to be able to care a large bore handgun. In any case, I would not be carrying a 9mm or 45acp handgun for protection against animals.
I'd agree except, bears aren't the only dangers in the forest. I'd prefer a rifle over a hangun as well for grizzly LOL but elbow deep in a carcass fishin out the guts and mr grizz comes in from behind.... the sidearm is GOTO.
as for 45 acp being insufficient, thousands of American handgun hunters would disagree with proof. 9mm..... yer correct, not what I would call an animal protection caliber.
If the law ever enabled widespread wilderness carry of handguns for protection of life, I would think a "minimum caliber/gr weight" should be implemented for the firearm to qualify as such a tool.
bearkilr
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- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
The mindset that handguns are evil is what fuels opinions in Canada. Until people realize they can be used for something other than criminal activity, nothing will change.
That includes the vast majority of hunters who see handguns as useless tools. The evidence is in this thread. Pretty sad.
That includes the vast majority of hunters who see handguns as useless tools. The evidence is in this thread. Pretty sad.
Good luck finding thousands of Americans that have used the 45ACP to successfully fend off an attack by wild animals. The 45ACP is fairly effective against humans, but it isn't known to be all that effective against large bears. A 230gr hardball may eventually kill the bear, but the bear may kill you before it dies. On the other hand a 44mag is a huge step up in effectiveness, and my 454 Casull is another significant step up again. Check out the Alaskan guides that carry sidearms in bear country, and you won't likely find many that trust their live to the 45ACP.
Canadian_Zuk
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- Pickering, Ontario
Actually you would be surprised how many favour the 1911 and there are options other than a 230gr hardball. A 1911 shooting 45-08 is very trendy in the bush these days.
