Not sure about the two firearms part... But with respect to what you said above, there's a calibre restriction portion that limits you to a minimum of 0.275 calibre when both small and large game seasons overlap... Have to read the regs again to see what is said of shotshells
Self defense while hunting?
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Not sure about the two firearms part... But with respect to what you said above, there's a calibre restriction portion that limits you to a minimum of 0.275 calibre when both small and large game seasons overlap... Have to read the regs again to see what is said of shotshells
When you go looking, let me know where that .275 big/small game overlap can be found.
I'm not trying to be a jerk with all this, btw, it just makes good conversation fodder on rainy mornings during at deer camp.
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KJ
As explained to me by a CO is that big game hunting has shot size restrictions to slugs and 00buck so by carrying smaller shot it contravenes that reg. If you say you are small game hunting and are carrying the larger stuff then you are violating small game regs by possessing big game loads while small game hunting. Hence the reference to the fellow carrying a SxS with a slug x birdshot.
Now this was a discussion with a CO on business time, as the only time I see them is waiting in court, on how the rules are not as simple as they might seem and how the official interpretation varies from field to court.
All that being said does it make sense to slap someone for shooting small game while moose or deer hunting- not in the least. Can a CO make someones day worse that wants to be difficult. just one of the ways
Now this was a discussion with a CO on business time, as the only time I see them is waiting in court, on how the rules are not as simple as they might seem and how the official interpretation varies from field to court.
All that being said does it make sense to slap someone for shooting small game while moose or deer hunting- not in the least. Can a CO make someones day worse that wants to be difficult. just one of the ways
I think you're quite right in that it's legal to carry birdshot while deer hunting. Carrying slugs while bird hunting is a little more complicated. If there was a big game season open you would need to have a valid tag in your pocket, plus abide by blaze orange regulations. Bear season opens Sept. 1 locally, so you would need a valid bear tag to carry slugs after that date.
My understanding of carrying more than one gun is that both( or all) have to be legal for the species being pursued, i.e., you can't carry a .22 rimfire during deer season as a second rifle.
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is it possible to do a pig halal style ?
Hmmm... Well I know that singular ancedotes do little to offer proof of anything, but I'll mention it anyway:
I often deer hunt with a little 10/22 slung across my back. I've run into COs 3 or so times with it and my .308 in my possession. The second or third time, the CO asked what the .22 was for. I told him grouse and bunnies. He told me to make sure I don't forget to unload BOTH guns before transporting. That was it.
YMMV
this has not be the case for many years now ,,I worked on a kill floor for many years and we had a holy man come in once a week .I would stun the animals and roll them out of the knock box for him to bleed ,thy would keep the blood in pails to spread on the ground latter ,,,thy do have to follow the law of the land as far as killing animals thy are all stunned first before bleeding out ,,Dutch
Interesting.
I learn something new on CGN every day!I'd apologize for my contributions to railroading the thread, but it seems the OP has wandered off and left the train to us ;-)
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That's pretty much a contradiction in terms.
I don't think that's necessarily so. It would be illegal to use the 22 on deer, but as long as you're also able to legally hunt grouse at the same time, you can do so with the 22. Conversely, using the rifle on grouse is illegal. At least here in MB.
Otherwise I wouldn't go grouse hunting with a 22 if I had a deer tag in my pocket.
Here's what it says in the Ontario regulations:
If you are hunting small game in an area where there is an
open season for deer, moose, elk, or black bear, you may
not possess or use a rifle of greater muzzle energy than 400
foot-pounds or shells loaded with ball or with shot larger than
No. 2 shot (non-toxic equivalents include steel shot larger
than triple BBB, or bismuth larger than double BB), unless
you possess a valid licence to hunt deer, moose, elk or black
bear as the case may be.
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Interesting.
I'd apologize for my contributions to railroading the thread, but it seems the OP has wandered off and left the train to us ;-)
I most certainly did not wander off, I am interested in all these discussion points and just don't want to monopolize time
As an aside, I bought a dominion arms outlaw shotgun for ####s and giggles this past year, but now I'm trying to find a use for the thing. I think i will strap it on my belt as a bear repellent and see how that works out
cheersThis is BY FAR the best solution to the problem. Not only will it dissuade/partially incinerate the problem bear, but it will also have the effect of driving out every other bear in a ten mile radius as the ensuing wildfire you've started ravages the landscape/cottagers.
...now for polar bear defense...
...or space bears...
I hunt coyote and beaver. Would like to carry a 22 for coyote dispatch and a 357 for beaver dispatch and in case of bear. There are plenty of reasons to carry a handgun in the woods. Our government convinced the provinces to not allow a handgun game season to restrict us. If you're allowed to hunt with a muzzle loader, bow or crossbow why not a handgun?
Many people seem to focus on the "bear comes out of nowhere in full charge" scenario when it comes to bear defense, and it certainly happens, but more common is the bear that gives you some warning before it becomes truly dangerous. I sure wish I had a few 20 gauge slugs with me when a gigantic black bear stalked my GF and I when we were out grouse hunting. After that I started carrying slugs in my shell belt and popped them into the barrels of my O/U on several occasions.
And sometimes you get lucky and bump into a deer, too.
I played around with 45-08 in my Para 14-45. I would much rather carry that 1911 than a 44mag revolver. More comfortable to carry, similar power to a 44mag with 240gr bullets, easier to make follow up shots and 10 rounds instead of 6. 14 rounds if you were using it in the USA.
well it would go over well with me and I am sure with you too if a bear was chewing your ass.
A couple of Parks Canada boys accidentally killed a black bear with a bear banger in Banff National Park a while back. Banged him good, while trying to scare him. Made the news in this part of the world.
I would imagine the bear banger would be less likely to set the whole world on fire than a flare. Up close, the thing could bounce off the bear's thick, springy pelt and hit you right in the face! Definitely something better deployed at some distance, and ideally without malice toward the bear. Between you and the bear, not accidentally behind it or something equally clever.
There are also the less-lethal rubber ball rounds used by that "bear expert" on TV. He appears to be carrying a Glock along with his rubber loaded shotgun. It is American TV though.
I'm not sure what a Conservation Officer would make of rubber ball rounds in a flare gun, especially since those probably travel less than 500 fps, especially with the short barrel. You would still need a sturdy flare gun though, or your bear encounter could start off with one hand. Nothing I would consider, and I'm sure there will be some opinions expressed on that dumb idea. It's bound to come up though.
I have never had a bear keep moving toward me after something goes bang, though mine has probably been a charmed life. I like bears, and my first, reluctant shot in their direction always misses them, low and in front. That said, there is always a second shot ready.
I would imagine the bear banger would be less likely to set the whole world on fire than a flare. Up close, the thing could bounce off the bear's thick, springy pelt and hit you right in the face! Definitely something better deployed at some distance, and ideally without malice toward the bear. Between you and the bear, not accidentally behind it or something equally clever.
There are also the less-lethal rubber ball rounds used by that "bear expert" on TV. He appears to be carrying a Glock along with his rubber loaded shotgun. It is American TV though.
I'm not sure what a Conservation Officer would make of rubber ball rounds in a flare gun, especially since those probably travel less than 500 fps, especially with the short barrel. You would still need a sturdy flare gun though, or your bear encounter could start off with one hand. Nothing I would consider, and I'm sure there will be some opinions expressed on that dumb idea. It's bound to come up though.
I have never had a bear keep moving toward me after something goes bang, though mine has probably been a charmed life. I like bears, and my first, reluctant shot in their direction always misses them, low and in front. That said, there is always a second shot ready.
On the flare gun note I know of an incident where one was used on a two legged test subject and death resulted almost immediately from a shot to the head. Second hand info but the uncle(not the sort to BS) that told me carries one in the bush in a shoulder rig always.
