Sell me on a new cartridge.

9.3mauser said:
Without getting into a debate about muzzle energy, which I think can be deceptive, the relative difference between a factory 9.3x62 (285 grs/2,350 fps) and a factory .375 H&H ( 300 grs/2,550 fps) is 200 fps and 15 grs of lead. My 9.3 handloads run at 2,480, so the difference is essentially 70 fps and 15 grs. I doubt there are many game animals that will know the difference.
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even the original 9.3x62 load data at 2150 fps was enough for buffalo,lion,leopard, hippo, rhino or elephant and worked great to bring back some bush meat on the table but of course what the paper said and was the real experience is doing are 2 different things in that case ...

interesting to read that someone put a limitation to get better result out of the 375 bullet to 2400 fps and that author is kevin robertson.
 
Was waiting to see what long range meant to you. at 1000m most 308 based cartridges will suffice.

You're missing a Magnum. They are fun but expensive to shoot. Don't waste your money on a 338 Lapua, ballistically speaking its the same as 300 Norma which means you could shoot twice as much for the same money.

For the real big boys you can do 375 enabler, expensive to shoot but you can reach out and touch something over 2 km so there's that.

300 Norma or 300 PRC will be childs play at 1000 m. You can be very confident with those.

6.5 CM or 6.5 x 47 Lapua would be great fun at 1000m and relatively cheap to shoot. 6.5x47L is one of my favourite cartridges as its easy to shoot, very forgiving and very flat shooting.

Besides those you could go 28 nosler but that is a barrel burner.

6 CM or 6 XC are great if you have kids or people who don't like recoil shooting with you
 
mareshow said:
Was waiting to see what long range meant to you. at 1000m most 308 based cartridges will suffice.

You're missing a Magnum. They are fun but expensive to shoot. Don't waste your money on a 338 Lapua, ballistically speaking its the same as 300 Norma which means you could shoot twice as much for the same money.

For the real big boys you can do 375 enabler, expensive to shoot but you can reach out and touch something over 2 km so there's that.

300 Norma or 300 PRC will be childs play at 1000 m. You can be very confident with those.

6.5 CM or 6.5 x 47 Lapua would be great fun at 1000m and relatively cheap to shoot. 6.5x47L is one of my favourite cartridges as its easy to shoot, very forgiving and very flat shooting.

Besides those you could go 28 nosler but that is a barrel burner.

6 CM or 6 XC are great if you have kids or people who don't like recoil shooting with you
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375 enabler is over 10,000j just like the 375 cheytac that was prohibited via oic. I also wouldn't touch it with all the issues you can find people have had, check snipers hide and other long range forums.
 
Have both the 30 PRC and the .375 the PRC is a great cartridge ,but my .280 AI seems to be the go to chev ford ram I guess
 
Not sure if it's been mentioned, didnt read throught the previous 11 pages, but I"ll suggest a .270 Winchester. Great caliber for anything in Ontario, and fun to shoot.
 
There's very little difference in cost between shooting a 300 Norma and a 338 Lapua if you reload. The 338 has more expensive brass and the bullets are a little more expensive, but barrel life is 2-3x better than the Norma when loaded similarly. If you shoot enough to get proficient, the extra ~$1-2k worth of Norma barrels for every 338L barrel offsets the higher brass and bullet cost.
The 300 PRC is a nice entry drug to ELR. Will see how the 7 PRC performs once its out in the wild, but it looks to be similar to the saum and rem mag for performance.
The 33XC and 37XC are both in play I believe for ELR, and seem to have none of the issues the enablrs have.

For 1000y plinking, there are lots of gentle-shooting short action cartridges to chose from that are much cheaper and less abusive to shoot than the big boomers. Whatever you decide on, make sure you have brass and/or ammo in hand before going ahead with the rifle purchase/build.
 
Meroh said:
.375 H & H is a good choice, and a real classic. My suggestion of the 9.3 x 62 might be a better choice because of the type of hunting you do. Good article comparing the two here: https://www.rifleshootermag.com/editorial/375-hh-mag-vs-93x62-cartridge-clash/380081

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I would chose the 9.3 x 62 over the .375 H & H for a few reasons:

(Way) More than enough power and range for your type of hunting
  • (Way) More than enough power and range for your type of hunting
  • Way less recoil.
  • Not a "belted" magnum; ease of reloading.
  • It's a Continental "Mauser" calibre (and I am a "Continental" Mauser fan)
  • There are lots of fine used rifles available in Canada right now for obscenly low prices
  • Ammo is (more) available here in Canada than in the US from reputable Manufacturers on the continent; and reloaing components and dies are available.
You won't go wrong with either.
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I would choose the 9.3x62 for all those reasons also. But OP doesn't reload and 9.3x62 factory ammo is harder to find. For that reason only, I think 375H&H is a better choice for him.
 
OP here, thanks for all the suggestions from everyone.

I have decided to go the .375H&H route for my big game thumper and am already looking into models chambered in this for my next hunting rifle.

Aside from that, as attractive as the long action magnum cartridges are on paper, I don't see myself ever making a 600+ yard kill shot where I hunt.

I'm still interested in buying something for long range plinking (1000m) and think I'll likely pick up the 6.5 Creedmoor for that role, given it's lower price point and ballistics.

I think after those two I might be covered for all of my bolt action needs.

I am also considering something as utilitarian as a 30-30 to fill in the middle ground of my lever actions (between .357 and 45-70). I've always wanted a model 94 or Marlin 336.

From there, who knows? Maybe I'll figure out I need another new calibre for a new shooting or hunting discipline down the road.
 
Northern Shooter said:
OP here, thanks for all the suggestions from everyone.

I have decided to go the .375H&H route for my big game thumper and am already looking into models chambered in this for my next hunting rifle.

Aside from that, as attractive as the long action magnum cartridges are on paper, I don't see myself ever making a 600+ yard kill shot where I hunt.

I'm still interested in buying something for long range plinking (1000m) and think I'll likely pick up the 6.5 Creedmoor for that role, given it's lower price point and ballistics.

I think after those two I might be covered for all of my bolt action needs.

I am also considering something as utilitarian as a 30-30 to fill in the middle ground of my lever actions (between .357 and 45-70). I've always wanted a model 94 or Marlin 336.

From there, who knows? Maybe I'll figure out I need another new calibre for a new shooting or hunting discipline down the road.
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heretic....

there is never enough rifles, there is always just one more that you need :)
 
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