Sellers Market for the CZ858!

commanderding said:
After reading this, I now have a headache. Can someone please explain to me if there are any classification changes happening to the CSA VZ58?
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There was a RCMP document posted here today that had 10 rifles, with VZ58 and AR, as on the list to be 'prohibited' at some future point. I can't find it at the moment.
Even without the list, we know the VZ and many others would be re-classified into prohibs in the near future.

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Here you go, post #86.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...ll-be-next?p=14745330&viewfull=1#post14745330
 
Bartok5 said:
Not yet, but wait for it. It surely qualifies as a "variant" of the CZ858.....
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Does no matter if it is. The CZ-858 is prohibited as a converted auto, not by name. Only firearms prohibited by name through OIC have their variants prohibited as well.
 
Steiner said:
There was a RCMP document posted here today that had 10 rifles, with VZ58 and AR, as on the list to be 'prohibited' at some future point. I can't find it at the moment.
Even without the list, we know the VZ and many others would be re-classified into prohibs in the near future.

EDIT:
Here you go, post #86.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...ll-be-next?p=14745330&viewfull=1#post14745330
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Ancient news and it was a list that they would like to see prohibited by government - they are powerless to prohibit them. Only an act of parliament or an OIC can change the classification of any of those firearms because they are currently correctly classified as per the criteria set out in law and regulation (except for the AR which is restricted as per OIC despite meeting non-res requirements.)

The RCMP cannot just classify or reclassify firearms at will - they can do one thing and one thing only - classify new firearms based on the legal criteria. Look at the Type 81 - they tried for years and virtually destroyed the prototype trying to find any excuse to prohibit it. In the end, the had to surrender and apply the law making it non-restricted.
 
36 hamon said:
I have many prohibs in my safe in the basement that haven't seen a range since 2005 ..dont think for a minute that your att (SAP)will be around forever they did not even warn us when they stopped issuing them we all got a letter saying it was for our own good that we are no longer allowed to shoot them ..still have that letter somewhere
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Thanks to CGNr BR427 and rangebob, the letter has been made publicly available: http://www.rangebob.com/Canada/2005...Re12xNoLongerAuthorizedToTransportToRange.pdf
 
Travis Bickle said:
Exactly this.
Its one of the in between the lines of this bill that some people aren't fully grasping.

They can select a PAL at random from any dealer sale book, pay a visit to said PAL holder, if those guns/serial numbers are not in their possession and there are no transfers for NR in the CFO files from that PAL # to explain why they no longer have them.....
Another reason why I will only be buying used guns from person to person from here on in/or until we can repeal this atrocious mess of a bill/law.
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Where does it say they can select someone at random and "pay them a visit"?
They would still need just cause to get a warrant
 
Riggseven said:
Where does it say they can select someone at random and "pay them a visit"?
They would still need just cause to get a warrant
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You need to get familiar with your license. There is no need for a warrant. Now, they have to notify you and arrange a "visit" and it has to be scheduled and agreed upon, but they can do this. Did you not know you lost privacy rights when you got your PAL/RPAL?
 
bobdbldr said:
It seems too many people on here are trying to get in on the prohib wagon instead of starting to organize and fight for them to not be prohib at all!! Shortsighted and self centered!
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That's because they think they will get a prohibited license like a 12.6, and be able to buy any prohibs for that class. They don't realize that they will just get a 12.11 or 12.14 and only be allowed within that class
 
berger said:
You need to get familiar with your license. There is no need for a warrant. Now, they have to notify you and arrange a "visit" and it has to be scheduled and agreed upon, but they can do this. Did you not know you lost privacy rights when you got your PAL/RPAL?
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Sorry but you need to get more familiar with the laws. They can not just arrange a visit because they picked your name off a list, they can ask and you may comply.
But you can also turn them down and ask for a warrant. They need just cause not just 'cause
 
Riggseven said:
Sorry but you need to get more familiar with the laws. They can not just arrange a visit because they picked your name off a list, they can ask and you may comply.
But you can also turn them down and ask for a warrant. They need just cause not just 'cause
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I stand corrected....a warrant would be needed if you refuse, but if there is 'probable cause' they will get in. Would probably cost the owner greatly to prove there was not cause...afterwards. It is still a fact that holding a PAL/RPAL means we do not share the same privacy rights as non-licensed Canadians.


Inspection of dwelling-house

104 (1) An inspector may not enter a dwelling-house under section 102 except

(a) on reasonable notice to the owner or occupant, except where a business is being carried on in the dwelling-house; and


(b) with the consent of the occupant or under a warrant.
 
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