Sellers Market for the CZ858!

bobdbldr said:
That would work with your ( grandfathered ) rifles, the ones you own now, but when you buy a new rifle from a dealer, ALL the info is recorded and kept by the dealer for 20 years, so if something happens they track the gun to you,,, if you do not have the gun,, somebody got some splainin to do!
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Exactly this.
Its one of the in between the lines of this bill that some people aren't fully grasping.

They can select a PAL at random from any dealer sale book, pay a visit to said PAL holder, if those guns/serial numbers are not in their possession and there are no transfers for NR in the CFO files from that PAL # to explain why they no longer have them.....
Another reason why I will only be buying used guns from person to person from here on in/or until we can repeal this atrocious mess of a bill/law.
 
Travis Bickle said:
Exactly this.
Its one of the in between the lines of this bill that some people aren't fully grasping.

They can select a PAL at random from any dealer sale book, pay a visit to said PAL holder, if those guns/serial numbers are not in their possession and there are no transfers for NR in the CFO files from that PAL # to explain why they no longer have them.....
Another reason why I will only be buying used guns from person to person from here on in/or until we can repeal this atrocious mess of a bill/law.
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YYYYEPPP! And I already had conversations with my lgs, they don't fully grasp what this will do to their sales,, toast, if the bill goes through! I won't be buying any new guns!
 
bobdbldr said:
I don't think they are direct copies, the most important part, and the part that makes them prohib is the receiver, and that is different afaik, it is not easily modified to full auto. Therefore different frt and not scary !!
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Not any more - the part that makes them prohib now is the amendment to the firearms act, and their name. Just like any AK clone, "the rifle known as the AK 47 and any variant or modified version of it...." There is nothing from stopping the lab saying that the Vz 58 Sporter is a variant of the prohibited Cz858 and, by regulation with no required consultation with anyone, adding it to the 12.9 category.
 
As far as I know, there is no law that requires you to report the destruction of any Non-restricted firearm.

I've bought a few rifles to simply part out for profit, and if the receiver has no value and I can't give it away I would just chop it. Not that I've ever had to but it's not unreasonable that someone would buy a new firearm from a shop just to part it out and chop the receiver. SKS rifles are a great example: Buy it for $250 and sell the parts for $400. Easy money. Ljungman AG42B rifles are another good example. Sometimes the magazine and stock sell for more than a complete rifle!

"Where is that SKS you bought from xyz gun shop?"

"In 100 peices, in 100 places. And the receiver is chopped and at the local landfill."

Just sayin'


Travis Bickle said:
Exactly this.
Its one of the in between the lines of this bill that some people aren't fully grasping.

They can select a PAL at random from any dealer sale book, pay a visit to said PAL holder, if those guns/serial numbers are not in their possession and there are no transfers for NR in the CFO files from that PAL # to explain why they no longer have them.....
Another reason why I will only be buying used guns from person to person from here on in/or until we can repeal this atrocious mess of a bill/law.
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Walther_PPK said:
As far as I know, there is no law that requires you to report the destruction of any Non-restricted firearm.

I've bought a few rifles to simply part out for profit, and if the receiver has no value and I can't give it away I would just chop it. Not that I've ever had to but it's not unreasonable that someone would buy a new firearm from a shop just to part it out and chop the receiver. SKS rifles are a great example: Buy it for $250 and sell the parts for $400. Easy money. Ljungman AG42B rifles are another good example. Sometimes the magazine and stock sell for more than a complete rifle!

"Where is that SKS you bought from xyz gun shop?"

"In 100 peices, in 100 places. And the receiver is chopped and at the local landfill."

Just sayin'
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That's a good point actually.
I never thought of this.
 
Travis Bickle said:
Exactly this.
Its one of the in between the lines of this bill that some people aren't fully grasping.

They can select a PAL at random from any dealer sale book, pay a visit to said PAL holder, if those guns/serial numbers are not in their possession and there are no transfers for NR in the CFO files from that PAL # to explain why they no longer have them.....
Another reason why I will only be buying used guns from person to person from here on in/or until we can repeal this atrocious mess of a bill/law.
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Ontario has had these ledgers for years... anytime using your PAL (even for ammo), your name and PAL is written down in a book.

It's not that much of an issue unless you are a criminal, but private sales you could buy or swap just by seeing a license. Now you will have to call in and validate, maybe with serial #'s and such. It essentially is a 'free' LGR that they have created countrywide that they didn't have before.

I don't understand why you can't look at the guy in the pic on the PAL and the date, then hand over the gun. I don't see anyone validating any other ID on the phone.
 
Walther_PPK said:
As far as I know, there is no law that requires you to report the destruction of any Non-restricted firearm.

I've bought a few rifles to simply part out for profit, and if the receiver has no value and I can't give it away I would just chop it. Not that I've ever had to but it's not unreasonable that someone would buy a new firearm from a shop just to part it out and chop the receiver. SKS rifles are a great example: Buy it for $250 and sell the parts for $400. Easy money. Ljungman AG42B rifles are another good example. Sometimes the magazine and stock sell for more than a complete rifle!

"Where is that SKS you bought from xyz gun shop?"

"In 100 peices, in 100 places. And the receiver is chopped and at the local landfill."

Just sayin'
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That would depend on what type of information that dealers are required to keep . If the dealer is keeping serial numbers , and the gun is showing as being sold to you ; and if the same gun shows up at a crime scene , then I suspect you will have some explaining to do about how the gun left your possession without you having ever called in for a transfer authorization .
 
Midnight Rider said:
That would depend on what type of information that dealers are required to keep . If the dealer is keeping serial numbers , and the gun is showing as being sold to you ; and if the same gun shows up at a crime scene , then I suspect you will have some explaining to do about how the gun left your possession without you having ever called in for a transfer authorization .
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It was stolen less than 24hours ago? ;)

But yeah, either way, what happened with said gun since you don't have it anymore...
 
Midnight Rider said:
That would depend on what type of information that dealers are required to keep . If the dealer is keeping serial numbers , and the gun is showing as being sold to you ; and if the same gun shows up at a crime scene , then I suspect you will have some explaining to do about how the gun left your possession without you having ever called in for a transfer authorization .
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Well no doubt that would be a bad thing, but I'm mostly saying this for a possible ban/confiscation situation. They prohib a NR firearm and come looking for it.
 
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