What stocks are you using on your build and the competition guns?
Semi auto custom builds and accuracy
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What stocks are you using on your build and the competition guns?
Tried about 8 different brands of ammo, including Tennex, Center X and SK Standard Plus. Best groups were Eley Force Semi Auto HV (black bullet and case), and Eley Match (black box white letters). I didn’t clean or season the bore. 10 shot group of each under .500” and a 5 shot group of match @.221”.
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Nice shooting and great that its with a CF barrel. I had seen mixed results with some brands. Despite what some claim on here about functioning problems with aftermarket bolts, i have used Dlask, Kidd and Volquartsen and have not seen any problems with any of them. In fact i just surpassed 13,000 rounds out of my gun with NO malfunctions of any kind. As far as no advantages of stock bolt verses Kidd or VQ,well if ur blind I guess nothing would stick out other than the precise machining and finish with better extractors and firing pins and polished action rods. The Vq bolt is peerless and of its own design with the firing pin travel through the bolt body and being titanium. Precise strike with consistent pressure and faster lock time. As far as stocks go I have used Magpull X22, Boyds AT one and Victor Titan. If I were you Id be trying to get more of that same lot number of the Eley match. Be careful shooting the Force without changing ur action spring. I assume you are not using the standard steel pin but rather a polymer or Kidd Viton recoil buffer
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We go by results on target... and have seen no improvement.. but doesn't mean you will not.
functioning issues, they started and with different options.. again, if you haven't experienced it, awesome... but let's not discount information that may not fit a narrative.
Shooters use whatever floats their boat... if it works for them, fantastic. Test the gear well and if something doesn't work, fix it. Makes no difference to me the parts someone uses but I have helped shooters over the years resolve issues and often it is a mismatch of parts.
YMMV
Jerry
functioning issues, they started and with different options.. again, if you haven't experienced it, awesome... but let's not discount information that may not fit a narrative.
Shooters use whatever floats their boat... if it works for them, fantastic. Test the gear well and if something doesn't work, fix it. Makes no difference to me the parts someone uses but I have helped shooters over the years resolve issues and often it is a mismatch of parts.
YMMV
Jerry
Years ago, there was an article in Precision Shooting magazine describing a project in which a Ruger 10/22 was rebarreled using take-off Anschutz target rifle barrel. Minimal tuning was done to the basic rifle. The author found that the rifle shot just as well as the Anschutz had with the same barrel. This was long before the 10/22 was "discovered".
One of the popular alterations to the factory bolt was to precision grind the bolt face in order to reduce headspace. The 10/22 was set up as a recreational shooter with chamber dimensions and headspace designed to work with a broad variety of ammunition. Most accuracy barrels will have a premium bore and a minimum spec. chamber. Grinding the bolt face goes along with precision chambering.
The importance of headspace in optimizing rimfire accuracy is well understood; some premium bolt action precision rifles have adjustable headspace. The use of a rim thickness gauge can also reduce headspace variation.
One of the popular alterations to the factory bolt was to precision grind the bolt face in order to reduce headspace. The 10/22 was set up as a recreational shooter with chamber dimensions and headspace designed to work with a broad variety of ammunition. Most accuracy barrels will have a premium bore and a minimum spec. chamber. Grinding the bolt face goes along with precision chambering.
The importance of headspace in optimizing rimfire accuracy is well understood; some premium bolt action precision rifles have adjustable headspace. The use of a rim thickness gauge can also reduce headspace variation.
Thanks! It’s a VQ bolt and Kidd buffer so no issues with the Eley force. The place I bought the march has 7 more boxes only. I do want to try some other Eley ammo, Biathalon, Pistol Match, Club etc.
Pardon the lag in response but Ive not been well. Physically,the mentals been a long time! So for $700 you get a McGowen match SS barrel and then the stock/chassis your using plus a sloped pic rail and then add tax on that. Now we need a donor gun so minimum $350 and then a gunsmithed trigger(are you a gunsmith)and a bedding job plus the other Mystic secrets. Well Im pretty sure you can buy a complete custom build for relatively the same and nothing needs fixing. As far as the aftermarket bolt problems go Im not privledged to kmow the ones that caused you the problems. The ones I used include Dlask,Kidd and Volquartsen in the factory Ruger receiver (where I started experimenting) and never had the problems you speak of, maybe Im just lucky. Do you sell any of the aftermarket bolts that apparently dont work for you? Im gonna take a shot in the dark and guess no and the same as aftermarket triggers!!! Im not saying you cant make a gun shoot without all the bells and whistles. But if you think Im going to believe,or anyone else,that a cast aluminun receiver and a piss poorly machined bolt and junk trigger are the equal of precisely machined 7075 aluminum receiver or quality trigger. WELL NOT HAPPENING. Your comparing a SKODA to a FERRARI. But no sales in what you dont sell. The picture with the medal is nice but getting rather old.
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Well, I put up the picture cause everyone wants proof so there it is.... You can also look up the scores for the Merritt CRPS in 2019 (I didn't compete in 20 and 21). KTSA scores aren't published I don't think? First match I scored over 80% in competition.
And then teammate took the CRPS Westerns the next year and one or two other matches... best to not say what his rifle is built off
I don't need to make up stories. I am at the matches and put lead downrange against alot of very good shooters.... and excellent gear. Ask them if you prefer.
hey, use whatever parts you want. if it works for you, awesome. These project rifles were to do alot of rimfire testing and that lead to some interesting results. I just go by what shoots and holes in targets. If there is a need to spend, no issue here but so far, we have been super happy with how our set ups are shooting.
YMMV... if all I cared about was to sell more stuff and make more money, wouldn't I be the biggest cheerleader to "recommend" more and more pricey custom parts?
Jerry
PS.. .If you think our 10/22s are BS, you are really not going to like the bolt rifles we will be using... but a story for another time.
And then teammate took the CRPS Westerns the next year and one or two other matches... best to not say what his rifle is built off
I don't need to make up stories. I am at the matches and put lead downrange against alot of very good shooters.... and excellent gear. Ask them if you prefer.
hey, use whatever parts you want. if it works for you, awesome. These project rifles were to do alot of rimfire testing and that lead to some interesting results. I just go by what shoots and holes in targets. If there is a need to spend, no issue here but so far, we have been super happy with how our set ups are shooting.
YMMV... if all I cared about was to sell more stuff and make more money, wouldn't I be the biggest cheerleader to "recommend" more and more pricey custom parts?
Jerry
PS.. .If you think our 10/22s are BS, you are really not going to like the bolt rifles we will be using... but a story for another time.
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First off, never did I say that your guns are BS. That’s you putting those words out. I never said they aren’t capable of shooting accurately either. Pretty much everybody on here knows you run a business and that’s great. We need to keep the shooting community strong. I was just responding to the statement of aftermarket bolts being not worth it!! You have your opinion and I mine.
The other point was in the end a custom gun can be had for approximately the same price if we are honest! Complete custom rifles are on the EE regularly and can be had for around $1000. If new is what’s required then complete from Dlask or build your own. Donor rifle to Mystic is another option.
So to clarify, never said your gun was BS or that your full of it. Just a different opinion. I will find out how to post pictures and join the rest of you in the modern world.
The other point was in the end a custom gun can be had for approximately the same price if we are honest! Complete custom rifles are on the EE regularly and can be had for around $1000. If new is what’s required then complete from Dlask or build your own. Donor rifle to Mystic is another option.
So to clarify, never said your gun was BS or that your full of it. Just a different opinion. I will find out how to post pictures and join the rest of you in the modern world.
Longstud - the easiest thing in the world for posting pictures is to become a site sponsor, can’t remember $20-30 per year, you post directly from your computer instead of hosting, pasting links, blah blah blah. With your trader rating if you sell much, posting pics helps ads immensely.
Thanks for the advice on making it easy. Mechanical things I’m good with, but technology, not so much. Not a bad idea supporting the site either. It’s what allows all of us to do what we do on here. Cheers Chris
Compared to all the factory barrelled CZ's I've had, yes, absolutely!
I ended up with a Lilja barrel from a group buy intended for CZ's where they messed up and cut the cone breech lip too thin and the chamber was splitting. Being in Canada, I couldn't send the barrel back to them for re-work, so I ended up with a free barrel from them that went on my custom CZ and did the 1/4" challenge. I got to keep the defective barrel, and got to thinking... what if I have it fitted to my Remington 597? Why not, right? What's the worst that can happen... 
. I'll let the results speak for themselves.
My Dlask/Kidd build did the 1/2 challenge.
It likes the Lapua Center-X and is also quite accurate with CCI Std.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...-Prove-it!?p=18200463&viewfull=1#post18200463
I do feel there’s more into it. It could be a little bit more consistent.
The barreled action is a bit loose into the Victor Titan stock.
Maybe I should send it to Jerry at Mystic Precision for proper bedding…
The only thing I don’t like about this rifle is that it eats a box of ammo really fast
It likes the Lapua Center-X and is also quite accurate with CCI Std.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...-Prove-it!?p=18200463&viewfull=1#post18200463
I do feel there’s more into it. It could be a little bit more consistent.
The barreled action is a bit loose into the Victor Titan stock.
Maybe I should send it to Jerry at Mystic Precision for proper bedding…
The only thing I don’t like about this rifle is that it eats a box of ammo really fast
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Properly bedded gun will definitely help in the accuracy dept. I have a lot of SK Longe range match that’s very accurate out of my rifle. Better than the three different lot of Center X I’ve tried. I think the slightly faster muzzle velocity of the SK Lrm ends up around the same as Center X in myVudoo. The dope for both guns is very close. Great shootingMy Dlask/Kidd build did the 1/2 challenge.
It likes the Lapua Center-X and is also quite accurate with CCI Std.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...-Prove-it!?p=18200463&viewfull=1#post18200463
I do fell there’s more into it. It could be a little bit more consistent.
The barreled action is a bit loose into the Victor Titan stock.
Maybe I should send it to Jerry at Mystic Precision for proper bedding…
The only thing I don’t like about this rifle is it eats a box of ammo really fast
Ok so a buddy of mine bought a used custom rifle off the EE from a youtuber. It had all the parts to be a great rifle but it sucked large in more ways than one. He called me and was really disappointed so I offered to have a look at it. The first thing I did was completely strip the gun apart. I checked the barrel for alignment and it was off enough that the extractor on the bolt was rubbing on the barrel extractor groove. This was causing both feeding and extraction problems. So in the barrel vice and a little tweak and voila. Next the barrel was not fully seated into the receiver. Very close but not bottomed out. The bolts on the Vee block were not torqued equally either. The trigger pins fell out of the receiver when I turned the gun on its side. Replaced with Kidd pins that require some tapping with a rubber mallet to install and a punch to remove. I cleaned the barrel and lapped it with JB. The action spring was not the proper one for subsonic ammo so it was changed to the proper one. The bolt is made by a fairly new Canadian company so I lapped the important surfaces on a plate of glass till they were like a mirror. Everything was cleaned and reassembled. The gun still had functioning issues. Extraction and feeding. Start the process over and switched the bolt to a Kidd bolt and the guns running like a top and shooting accurately finally! My buddies happy and cant wait till fall for some squirrel/grouse hunting.
This is for Jerry. I joined the modern world pal and became a SUPER GUNNUTZ member haha. I even had a shooting buddy show this old buzzard how to post pictures. Just imagine Yeeeeeah. So here are my two main comp guns with a sample of targets so you dont think Im BS like you acused me of calling you. Not like youll probably respond.View attachment 575988View attachment 575987View attachment 575986View attachment 575989
Oh sorry for the sideways pics but the holes in the targets are still the same size. If anyone would like pics of trophys and medals just let me know and ill dig them out from under the stairs and wherever else theyre lying. Just for fun ,notice the dates when some of the targets were shot and the different ammo used to do it. A poor gun with poor ammo and the best shooter in the world is no match for a great gun with great ammo and a mediocre shooter. I love watching new shooters shoot an accurate rifle the first time.With proper coaching theyre hitting targets at 200 plus yards with a rimfire and are hooked to the shooting sports. Most centerfire hunters couldnt hit the targets we do with a rimfire but if coached I wouldnt want to be reincarnated as a game animal and step in front of them!!!
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Very nice... look forward to your groups at 100 and 200yds... longer if you have the range.
Seems like the Vudoo and 10/22 show no real difference in performance... be interesting to see how they compare for you at longer distances.
Something I have said for a few years now... if you can set up the 10/22 well, it will not be the limiting factor in competition - PRS competition that is
Jerry
Seems like the Vudoo and 10/22 show no real difference in performance... be interesting to see how they compare for you at longer distances.
Something I have said for a few years now... if you can set up the 10/22 well, it will not be the limiting factor in competition - PRS competition that is
Jerry
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