Semi auto in 308 non-restricted

Wal-Mart Greeter said:
I didn't read your post. I have better things to do than read a massive wall of text about a dead, inherently inaccurate, modification heavy money pit of an outdated rifle platform lmao. Enjoy modifying and tuning your M305 while I'm shooting my Stag-10.

Someone should make a documentary about the M14. Call it "The M14: Meh, we had them sitting around so...".
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No you wouldn't read it lol of course not.
Ignorance is a cozy blanket to wrap oneself in for sure.
Enjoy your rifle and time on the Internet Sir.
 
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hannibal.black98 said:
Sorry but irons sights are a #### way to judge a guns potential accuracy at "long" range...it is based much too off of how well your own eyes are and you aiming reference point and your repeat ability of holding on/keeping that exact same SMALL spot for each shot. Not easy past 100 yards.

I can hit a big, orange 18" steel target at 300yards with my Stag 10 5/5 times using the cheapest ammo (Barnual) and resting it off my pack...its not hard or all that impressive and the gun is stock for the important "shooting accurately" parts...those being the barrel, trigger, ect. minus some Troy irons I have on it as the gun comes lacking any sights.

I can also hit the same target using an SKS (once the sights are properly adjusted, including the front) also with cheap Barnual ammo with about 80% consistency and the sights are junk on it.
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I don't measure accuracy potential with calipers.
If I can hit a steel target out to 600 meters with iron sights it's good to go.
I'm not saying its supposed to be impressive accurate. It's accurate ebough for what I need it to do. People who cream themselves after trying all day to put that perfect 3 rounds in a half inch square group would probably disagree.

None of the current NR AR10s do it for me. Especially at the cost they are at. The M14 is still slinging 7.62 non restricted for way less and plenty accurate as any of the current NR AR10s and I still love it. I guess I'm a dying breed now!
 
stag-10's can come and go..... I own 2 and 3 uppers.
but I will never part with My LRB M14 rifles. If I was in a life and death worlds end scenario, they would be in my essential kit for sure.
Those folks who bash the m14 platform have just not shot one that impresses them is all.
We all don't have to like the same things, it's okay.
 
Sorry, I don't think you can claim the M14 is superior to the AR10 when you "don't measure accuracy with calipers" and you need to buy and tune 6 rifles before finding one that shoots under 3 moa! Also, any .308 can hit a steel plate at 600m if you have infinite ammo. That doesn't make it a good bargain.

I've owned 2 M305s, wasted months waiting for parts and spent way more than I ever planned on. Both still shot moa of barn door. I've owned one Stag-10 and it has shot moa, the only additional cost other than the cost to build that rifle was a box of 20x .308 to sight in the scope.

I don't think you can afford the AR-10, and you'd rather spread the cost of building the rifle out over a long period of time and don't mind sacrificing accuracy. Just because you can only afford 600$ up front doesn't make the M305 a better option.

45ACPKING, no offense, but I can't take your opinion seriously when you made money off M14 parts & clinics lol. Of course that's the rifle you would grab...
 
Wal-Mart Greeter said:
Sorry, I don't think you can claim the M14 is superior to the AR10 when you "don't measure accuracy with calipers" and you need to buy and tune 6 rifles before finding one that shoots under 3 moa! Also, any .308 can hit a steel plate at 600m if you have infinite ammo. That doesn't make it a good bargain.

I've owned 2 M305s, wasted months waiting for parts and spent way more than I ever planned on. Both still shot moa of barn door. I've owned one Stag-10 and it has shot moa, the only additional cost other than the cost to build that rifle was a box of 20x .308 to sight in the scope.

I don't think you can afford the AR-10, and you'd rather spread the cost of building the rifle out over a long period of time and don't mind sacrificing accuracy. Just because you can only afford 600$ up front doesn't make the M305 a better option.

45ACPKING, no offense, but I can't take your opinion seriously when you made money off M14 parts & clinics lol. Of course that's the rifle you would grab...
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LOL, one of my LRB rifles with it's current load out is worth over 6000 LOL
FYI I did over 2 dozen free clinics in my home , I did a clinic in 100 mile with tactical teacher and admission was charged to cover our costs only. I travelled hours to do clinics on Vancouver island 10 hrs each way and a expensive bc ferries ticket each way and in the lowermainland, 5 hours from my home..... clinic fees were charged to cover my fuel and the food I usually put on the BBQ for everyone.
I made zero in profit from clinics and I resent anyone stating or even suggesting otherwise.
However, for several years I worked on these rifles every single day. Built them from the ground up, designed molds and techniques to make composite stocks for these rifles...… in other words...… if you can't take my opinion seriously..... you don't even belong in the conversation LOL


don't bother replying or quoting me, I won't be responding to anymore of your posts LOL
 
45ACPKING said:
LOL, one of my LRB rifles with it's current load out is worth over 6000 LOL
FYI I did over 2 dozen free clinics in my home , I did a clinic in 100 mile with tactical teacher and admission was charged to cover our costs only. I travelled hours to do clinics on Vancouver island 10 hrs each way and a expensive bc ferries ticket each way and in the lowermainland, 5 hours from my home..... clinic fees were charged to cover my fuel and the food I usually put on the BBQ for everyone.
I made zero in profit from clinics and I resent anyone stating or even suggesting otherwise.
However, for several years I worked on these rifles every single day. Built them from the ground up, designed molds and techniques to make composite stocks for these rifles...… in other words...… if you can't take my opinion seriously..... you don't even belong in the conversation LOL


don't bother replying or quoting me, I won't be responding to anymore of your posts LOL
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I was replying to the guy who blazed in here claiming the M305 was better than any AR-10 on the market.

I was just dismissing the comment you made in support of him because everyone already knows what rifle you would grab in a "life and death scenario" lol
 
Everyone is so up in arms about this (pun intended). Lol. If you have a reliable m305 that meets YOUR expectations and requirements, then great! If you have an AR 10 ish rifle that does the same, then also great. If you bought an M305 for 600$ (No idea what thy go for today) and it works for you, awesome. If not then sell it.

You won't be able to buy or build an AR10 for even close to that cost though. So value (which is completely subjective) is in the eye of the beholder.

I'm currently building a stag 10 as a precision DMR. I'm hoping to shoot 1/2 Moa with it. I wouldn't do the same thing with an M305 becuase I'm doubtful of the accuracy potential. But I want to be able to shoot small groups. If you only need a rifle capable of 2-3 Moa, then get either. I've seen reliability issues with both platforms, neither are perfect. Get whichever one makes you happy.
 
Wal-Mart Greeter said:
I was replying to the guy who blazed in here claiming the M305 was better than any AR-10 on the market.

I was just dismissing the comment you made in support of him because everyone already knows what rifle you would grab in a "life and death scenario" lol
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Noone blazed in anywhere.
The thread topic is about NR semi auto 308s available in our market.
I stated my calm opinion on the subject which differs from yours. I never once said it's better. Only that it can do as much way under the comparable price of the current NR AR10s as long as your requirements are x, y, z.
All your replies are bigoted, full of ignorance and #### talking guys that have done more for the shooting community on their own time and dime in this country than you would ever dream.
I'm still trying to decide whether you're a punk kid or a straight up troll (if you are you're really good at it) because it's hard to fathom someone could be as rude and ignorant as you have been without it being fully intentional.
Anyways, enough time wasted. Have a good one.
 
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it is true that an M14 that shoots 0.5 MOA will cost you probably around 4-5K$. A milspec Ar-10 that will do the same will cost you around 10k$ and more ( G28, SR-25, etc. ) The army did the math and that's why they did what they did.
 
well boys..... it's true, my LRB rifles that I built myself are keepers but so are my Stag-10's, my lee enfields, my ruger M77's and what would really trump them all in a SHTF scenario is the GM6 Lynx I co-own cuz lets face it..... can you afford 20K for one rifle after putting glass and one spare mag on it?
LOL but this isn't a #### swinging contest.
It is however very easy to see that certain users maturity levels are far below what I am willing to engage with. We used to call them mall ninjas.


truth be told if the OP wants a modern , currently NR semi auto .308 , he would probably be best served looking at the Stag-10. It has far more aftermarket options and the price point is very good.
 
45ACPKING said:
well boys..... it's true, my LRB rifles that I built myself are keepers but so are my Stag-10's, my lee enfields, my ruger M77's and what would really trump them all in a SHTF scenario is the GM6 Lynx I co-own cuz lets face it..... can you afford 20K for one rifle after putting glass and one spare mag on it?
LOL but this isn't a #### swinging contest.
It is however very easy to see that certain users maturity levels are far below what I am willing to engage with. We used to call them mall ninjas.


truth be told if the OP wants a modern , currently NR semi auto .308 , he would probably be best served looking at the Stag-10. It has far more aftermarket options and the price point is very good.
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Good god don't tempt people, we don't want this to degenerate into a SHTF thread lol
 
OR4NGE said:
it is true that an M14 that shoots 0.5 MOA will cost you probably around 4-5K$. A milspec Ar-10 that will do the same will cost you around 10k$ and more ( G28, SR-25, etc. ) The army did the math and that's why they did what they did.
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Yes to the M14 accuracy/cost for it but a big NO to the AR10, you can get sub MOA with one for much, much less then $10k, LOL!!!

...the SR-25 and G28 cost what they do because a) they (HK and Knights Armament) can charge the government what they want for them because money means nothing to them (and civvies in return who want "as issued" gear, regardless of cost) and b) for government sales they come as a "package" complete with hard case, optics, mags, spare parts for armorers and so on.

The US military M14 EMR (upgraded M14 if you don't know) issued rifles are NOT shooting 0.5 MOA, I can promise you that...their design/upgrade and usage was a stop gap measure done almost a decade ago using a nice chassis to upgrade the many rifles they ALREADY had to meet the new requirements they were needing overseas, that being needing both a 7.62x51 weapon/longer range DMR. It was much cheaper and faster to do that it that then order a bunch of new SR-25s.
 
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why do these threads always turn into debate threads about what rifle is better in the field of combat.....
unless you are a field experienced US military soldier who has fielded both against an enemy...… your civilian born, keyboard based opinion means absolutely nothing. LOL

the reality is.... most folks here talk straight out their *** LOL
 
45ACPKING said:
why do these threads always turn into debate threads about what rifle is better in the field of combat.....
unless you are a field experienced US military soldier who has fielded both against an enemy...… your civilian born, keyboard based opinion means absolutely nothing. LOL

the reality is.... most folks here talk straight out their *** LOL
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You've got that right.
 
45ACPKING said:
why do these threads always turn into debate threads about what rifle is better in the field of combat.....
unless you are a field experienced US military soldier who has fielded both against an enemy...… your civilian born, keyboard based opinion means absolutely nothing. LOL

the reality is.... most folks here talk straight out their *** LOL
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Nothing about combat was written...?

Da ####...

Just stating that NO, you don't need $10k for a sub MOA AR10 platform as well as to why/how they (the USA forces) upgraded their current stocks of M14s for modern day use...but okay *eyeroll*

Many people in this site do/did serve this country and did go overseas too...sure we were not using M14EBRs but still, don't discredit others and result in name calling...
 
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