Unfortunately, the RCMP interpretation, is what ends up being accepted as law. The real question, is do you trust our RCMP, or our legal system?
Semi-auto magazine capacity
- Thread starter Brendon292
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Personally I trust numbers.
Meaning the numbers quoted (ie stamped on the firearm) for the chamber size and the numbers quoted in law for max rounds of magazine capacity (widely accepted as 5 for this application).
I see your point but the RCMP are there to enforce the law, not make it up as they go along (I know the lines have gotten blurry in this area for sure).
Brendon292
CGN Regular
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- Kingston, ON
If your "paranoia" is getting the better of you... Just do what has been suggested already and carry 5 shells of the appropriate size so you can "prove" the gun is functioning as it should.
There is no need to quote the word paranoia, it was correctly.
Fear of being criminalized is a legitimate thing to be paranoid about. Look at how our community is treated by the government.
Brendon292
CGN Regular
- Location
- Kingston, ON
I accept our communities interpretation of the legislation.
Would the police? How about the crown prosecutor?
Judging by your ornery responses it doesn't sound like anything anyone says here is going to soothe your concerns.
My advice... Grab the shotgun in question, head out and send a few downrange
You might end up arrested, but not likely charged. If they arrested you, you would get hauled in and end up arguing your case with the more senior officers at the station and they should realize the error and let you go. If they don't, then the case would get pushed to the CA and they should realize the error and refuse the case.
It is possible you spend a night in jail and have to work to get your gun back, but there is no way to avoid this in our system if a cop decides to run you through the mill. We are simply vulnerable to that as peons.
I have a question for you - how long have you owned guns? You joined the site in 2018, so I assume it has been at least 7 years. In all that time have you ever had a cop even look at one of your guns or question you on anything related to firearms?
Personally, I have had a license since 2009. I owned inherited guns before that (and did lots of shooting as a teenager), but 2009 was when I became more actively involved in shooting and hunting. I have never had anyone - cop, gun club RO or random shooter at the range ever question anything I did. Nothing about paperwork, trigger locks, mag capacity, or anything else. The only time I have had any scrutiny at all is out hunting and the CO's only care that your rifle is unloaded in the vehicle and that you have the appropriate licenses/tags with you. That's it.
I know people who have been licensed (such as it was) since the 80's and have multiple 12.X classes on their licenses and they have had the same experience in terms of never being scrutinized or checked, anywhere, at any time in 30+ years of competition shooting and range visits. It is vanishingly rare.
Your paranoia is getting the better of you. Just don't be a raging idiot to attract police attention, don't do anything stupid with any gun and enjoy your guns and shooting them. Also, avoid relationships with crazy women who might be inclined to get your guns confiscated when you break up with or otherwise piss them off.
Mark
Brendon292
CGN Regular
- Location
- Kingston, ON
I appreciate all the responses, but I was looking for documents to support what we already know. I have trust issues with a government that wants us disarmed.
..w0w.. The Info has been given/posted. You're going on & on about some Big 'Nothing' burger, some 'what if' scenario. No matter how much you try & shift/delude the outcome in your head, of some situation that would never happen. The Info has been Provided. Paro much? Go watch The Minority Report{again}
Then get the 'Firearms Defence Insurance' that's offered.
I assure you my trust issues with government (any government - they all suck in various ways) are much larger than yours. Trying to appease agents of the state with paperwork is a fool's errand. There are better ways to deal with the problem and not drive yourself insane in the process.
Mark
Brendon292
CGN Regular
- Location
- Kingston, ON
If you don't like the dialogue, why are you posting? I don't care about your opinion.
Its hilarious that you think some random printed piece of paper would dissuade an officer intent on making an example of you because he doesn't like your face.
There is NO piece of paper that can do what you want here .... because it would just be a piece of paper and no self respecting cop is going to accept a random piece of paper offered as a defence against something they think you are guilty of. There is no way for the cop to know the veracity of that piece of paper.
Maybe gun ownership is not for you?
Just because you have a documented printed out and in your possession does not mean it is a get out of jail card for free, should you garner the interest of an LEO and they decide to play hard ball.
If they decide they are going to seize the firearm, they are going to seize the firearm no matter how much you protest your innocence in the matter.
There might still be a member here from BC who was shooting up in Squamish a few years ago (pre 2010)with a semi auto rifle and the RCMP was on scene either on a routine patrol or someone called for some alleged neferious reason and the rifle was seized .
The members posted the incident on ewe toob and here on CGN about the experience.
Iirc it too sever weeks (maybe 2 months) for the guy to get his rifle back.
The actual details are long foggy ....so my point is the paranoia is just that and trying to prove innocence in the field might not be a simple case.
Anyone remember the guys from BC the Squamish Valley incident??
Rob
I have socks that are older than your PAL.
I've been at this since 1986 and like you said, no cop has ever asked me for a registration certificate or looked at one of my guns or anything like the OP is obsessing about. The rigours of gun ownership in Canada are just not for everyone.
Good LORD. You think handing a cop, a copy of a legal judgement is going to be the difference between getting charged and not? NO cop on earth would accept such a document, nor spend the time to read the thing. This is a LUDICROUS notion.
Uhhhhhhhhh ........ the tube magazine tube BOLTED or SCREWED into the action is logically designed to work with that action and thus chamber size.
It doesn't need to be, nor are any of them, marked for the number of rounds ammo. You show us one tube magazine that is so marked?Let's not be silly mkay.
KotKotofeich
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Ottawa Valley
We are way past that point - we are labelling ar magazines as pistol magazines. So I wouldn't count on some cop somewhere not to pull a bs move.
So buy that legal insurance. Unless you are in Québec - then you are SOL.
Brendon292
CGN Regular
- Location
- Kingston, ON
There is an RCMP phamphlet that explains transport regulations and even shows illustrated examples of proper transport methods. It is not uncommon for sports shooters to carry it in their range bag.
Why do you think that is? Do you think somebody who has been shooting for years needs to refer to it before packing their guns up? It's a nice resource to have just in case.
Brendon292
CGN Regular
- Location
- Kingston, ON
That is exactly what some people in this thread aren't understanding. The law is clear on semiautomatic shotgun magazines. We are all in agreeance. It's the police and possibly the crown that may or may not agree. Would a piece of paper save you? Probably not, but at least it's something.
Please let us know how you make out when the time comes......
