Semi auto RPD ?

tiriaq said:
tenringbound - Do you really think that there is any hope that the price for a gun assembled in Canada will sell for the price of the US version?
Is there any chance of this price being matched? There are always chances that most anything can happen. But match the US price? Really?
This is an individual who asks $1800 up for a Sten gun. Do you expect that a much more complicated gun is going to sell for not much more?
It is a laughing matter.
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No, I didn't expect it but I'm an eternal optimist :) I've been buying Canadian black rifles for a while (a $2200 Robarms M96 was my first purchase back in '99, and many bought and sold since) so I know you have to pay to play in this country. I'm a little confused as to why a semi MG34 is exportable from the US and an RPD, which is almost as old a design, is unexportable from the States despite using a US made semi receiver. I know an affordable belt-feed is a Canuck pipe dream, I guess I'm still hoping for something like Marstars ill-fated VZ-59 attempt will come along at that price point and make these things attainable for the average guy :redface:
 
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CanAm said:
Even billets and forgings are covered under ITAR if they are to become guns.
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A few days ago, Rick from ATR mentioned that a chunk of 7075 alloy aluminum needed an end user certificate. The yanks have jumped the shark.
 
I've never handled an RPD. Is the receiver machined or stamped? What would it involve to make a new semi receiver?
I imagine that for a small number of items, it is far cheaper to machine than to create stamping dies.
 
tootall said:
I've never handled an RPD. Is the receiver machined or stamped? What would it involve to make a new semi receiver?
I imagine that for a small number of items, it is far cheaper to machine than to create stamping dies.
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machined receiver from what I have seen, striker fired as well.


tootall said:
A few days ago, Rick from ATR mentioned that a chunk of 7075 alloy aluminum needed an end user certificate. The yanks have jumped the shark.
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That is insane..
 
I'm an enthusiast just like everyone here, and I too would like a legal RPD for $2000, but to be realistic it's not going to be a $2000 rifle. There are several firms involved, all of whom need a financial incentive to make it happen in Canada.
 
If there are brand new, never assembled receivers, perhaps these could be remanufactured for semi only. This worked for VZ58s. Who knows what is tucked away in the storerooms in Radom?
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This is an excellent idea and probably the most economical route, whatever a machinist in Poland makes it must be alot less than in Saskatchewan...
 
DGAF said:
I'm an enthusiast just like everyone here, and I too would like a legal RPD for $2000, but to be realistic it's not going to be a $2000 rifle. There are several firms involved, all of whom need a financial incentive to make it happen in Canada.
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What are you thinking 3-3500$?.
 
Kevin M. said:
I think you would be very luck to see 4k for the time and labor it would take to build in Canada considering the difficulty of parts.
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Roger. f**k it, who am I kidding, I'd buy it anyways. This country is severely lacking in the well "any nice guns" department...

There just isn't a damn thing available that I'm interested in bothering with.. BORING
 
RPD parts kits are $400ish in the US, if they could be obtained overseas they would be even cheaper, these are obsolete surplus weapons.

The receiver and semi parts are obviously the more expensive component but there is no reason the Canadian price should be higher than the $2K they go for in the USA; in fact they could/should be cheaper.

In Canada unlike in the US we can use the original barrel, the BATF rules mean that parts kits cannot be imported with an intact barrel which adds to the cost of any semi auto build down south.
 
Leonidas said:
RPD parts kits are $400ish in the US, if they could be obtained overseas they would be even cheaper, these are obsolete surplus weapons.

The receiver and semi parts are obviously the more expensive component but there is no reason the Canadian price should be higher than the $2K they go for in the USA; in fact they could/should be cheaper.

In Canada unlike in the US we can use the original barrel, the BATF rules mean that parts kits cannot be imported with an intact barrel which adds to the cost of any semi auto build down south.
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The only reason I believe that it will be more then you are thinking is that the people who are going to bring it in and build it have to make a profit. Everybody has to put food on the table, and if any dealers were to go through the very tedious and time intensive process of importing and then building, they have to both cover their costs and make a worthwhile profit.


If there was competition it may be different, but as it stands there would be so much work to do it and such a small market that I don't see it being anywhere near the US price. Plenty of people online always say that they would get one, or put me on the list, etc. but I would be willing to wager that less then 50% of those people ever follow up on it even if the product becomes available.

Just saying.
 
Kevin M. said:
Plenty of people online always say that they would get one, or put me on the list, etc. but I would be willing to wager that less then 50% of those people ever follow up on it even if the product becomes available.

Just saying.
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I agree with you there, when it comes to this particular gun, I would make the exception for myself however.

I would sell off my entire collection If I had to, in order to buy one. I won't have to do that though if the time came.
 
Leonidas said:
RPD parts kits are $400ish in the US, if they could be obtained overseas they would be even cheaper, these are obsolete surplus weapons.

The receiver and semi parts are obviously the more expensive component but there is no reason the Canadian price should be higher than the $2K they go for in the USA; in fact they could/should be cheaper.
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In that case when are you going to build some for under $2K ? I will happily buy all you can build at that price.


As it happens they can be bought in Canada right now.

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Russian/Soviet RPD, Early mfg, EXC, Condition
$3,995.00

RPD light machine gun, 1952 dated. Designed late in WWII, not put into production until early 1950s. Dated 1952, very early manufacture. Stalin was still alive! EXCELLENT condition with belt and drum magazine. Deactivated, no licence required to purchase or own. It is illegal to alter the deactivation work in any way.
 
DGAF said:
In that case when are you going to build some for under $2K ? I will happily buy all you can build at that price.


As it happens they can be bought in Canada right now.

RPD_1.jpg


Russian/Soviet RPD, Early mfg, EXC, Condition
$3,995.00

RPD light machine gun, 1952 dated. Designed late in WWII, not put into production until early 1950s. Dated 1952, very early manufacture. Stalin was still alive! EXCELLENT condition with belt and drum magazine. Deactivated, no licence required to purchase or own. It is illegal to alter the deactivation work in any way.
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Oh god, seeing that deact makes me sick to my stomach.
 
DGAF said:
.....It is illegal to alter the deactivation work in any way.
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This cannot possibly be true. There is a guy offering to reactivate dewat Sten guns for only $1400, classified as restricted or non-restricted depending on which barrel length is installed. Surely the same could be done with one of these - or any other dewat.
 
tiriaq said:
This cannot possibly be true. There is a guy offering to reactivate dewat Sten guns for only $1400, classified as restricted or non-restricted depending on which barrel length is installed. Surely the same could be done with one of these - or any other dewat.
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Could it ?
 
Don't underestimate yourself. You have lots of knowledge to share, and do so at every opportunity.
 
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