Semi automatic M53 (or mg42) build *high res warning*

There are two classes of gun parts for export purposes: those which are specifically controlled, and those that are not.
A business licenced as an exporter by the US DOS may export not specifically controlled parts, if the total value of the parts in the shipment is less than US$100 at wholesale.
If the parts are ones that are classified as specifically controlled, the licenced exporter must obtain an export permit for the parts, regardless of their value.
A bolt for a single shot .22, value $10, is a controlled part and the licenced exporter would need a specific permit to export that part.
Parts for many military firearms are controlled, and require specific export permits, regardless of value.
Looking at apexgunparts.com's website, does anyone think that the Polish PPSh kit @ US$149 is exportable without the exporter being licenced, and a specific export permit being obtained? Which would require a Canadian import permit issued by DFAIT?
Interestingly, that seems to be the exact sort of PPSh kit posted in a thread on CGN.
There is at least one individual who posts occasionally on CGN who has a US contact to whom these pesky controlled goods are sent.
I do not know if apexgunparts.com is a licenced exporter.
I do know that BATFE has inspected business's sales and shipping records to determine if violations have been committed, and have laid charges on the basis of those records.
 
Apex is not a licensed exporter, many of their products are not purchasable by canadians, with a few exceptions of small (non-machinegun) parts that are not bound by an export permit. I am not however not sure about parts such as this one for example h ttps://www.apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/products_id/622?osCsid=pv35bhk75fj2s36chkvop97ae4, while it appears somewhat visually be a MG part, it is a newly manufactured part for the sole purpose of semi automatic use. It is however a grip stick none the less, and i think based on Numrich's policy, it requires a permit anyways.

I'm not sure yet a valid source you may be able to ask whether or not an item may be exportable or not though. However, just because they will not export, does not mean that the item necessarily is un-exportable. In some instances the company just outright does not export, you as a buyer will have to further research the legality of exporting though.

It is my goal in this thread to provide you with such information i gather of parts that i have successfully legally imported, and how to do it legally. I highly suggest you do not follow what i say, without having double checked what i say first though.
 
LET ME BE 100% CLEAR ON THE FOLLOWING;
1) I was dsicussing maily original FA weapons not CA, Not CA.

2) We do not do assembly work here, although we are licensed as a manyfacturer....

3) ALL of our FA work, such as arsenal level overhauls is done at a government arsenals to international standards.

4) weapons such as those made by TNW arrive in Canada complete and ready to go, other than test firing that is all that is done here.

"Would it be possible for Marstar to offer a similar kit, all the parts necessary to build a semi automatic 1919a4 or m2/3 minus the costs of assembly labor, for those of us who want to try building our own?"
Would it be possible yes, would we do it NO.
Too many issues would come into play, apart from the CFC, would they rule the "kits" SA or FA ? etc, etc....
Since Marstar warrantees everything it sells how would that apply ??
How to protect ourselves from the improper assembly and posiible resulting accidents ??

"From what i gather (maybe i misinterpreted what was said, if so just let me know) marstar is sold the complete semi kits from tnw to be assembled, all 191a4 / m2 parts included. Now all that has to be done, would be to sell the kits as firearms because the receiver is 100%, and and let the buyer assemble it himself (Would still like to know the legalities of that though, as asked in my other post"
YOU ARE 100000000000% wrong, I replied to this elsewhere....

"From what i've read, any steel rivets can be used, as you would be beveling the plate to whatever degree rivets you use."

This is what I mean by things going bad, you are wrong, the rivets used are very specific to the application, too hard they crack or shear, too soft they will allow the receiver to "strecht", of course this will change your headspace, on am M2 this can have spectacular results....
Good luck and stay out of jail
John
 
TIRIAQ;
Well explained, but do you really think many will listen....

You have it 100% The BATF inspect records in the US, gee I wonder if they provide info to the RCMP re Canadian sales.
Maybe the US Embassy has a full time BATF officer stationed there just for the hell of it.

I think that the next thing we should do is take up a collection so when some of the home builder/importers go ahead with their projects we can send them fresh fruit once a month at their new "federal home"
John
 
johnone said:
.... of course this will change your headspace, on am M2 this can have spectacular results....
Good luck and stay out of jail
John
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As a followup to the idea of an M-2 failure...here's an M-82 failure (.50 Barrett):

From homegunsmith dot com:

"This was forwarded from Honduras. It was their Barrett .50 cal. The round failed to fire and the Honduran soldier attempted to pull the bolt to the rear and it blew. The ammo was dated 1982, no info on Lot #. Bad day at the range!"
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barrettfailure1.jpg


barrettfailure2.jpg


barrettfailure3.jpg


A fifty caliber round contains approximately the equivalent of 5.35 times the average .308 round's powder content.

This guy's lucky to be alive.

Stay safe, stay out of jail.

NS
 
NavyShooter said:
As a followup to the idea of an M-2 failure...here's an M-82 failure (.50 Barrett):

From homegunsmith dot com:

A fifty caliber round contains approximately the equivalent of 5.35 times the average .308 round's powder content.

This guy's lucky to be alive.

Stay safe, stay out of jail.

NS
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This was ammo failure, slow ignition? Was it homebuilt, or is that just the location the pictures were found from?


I cannot speak for the M2, but if it was made similarly to the 1919, the headspace is adjustable? It has been advised that you check your headspace before every shoot anyways, as a safety precaution. Headspace is the number one cause for accidents based on 1919a4.com's homebuild section. Structural issues are not, *warning* I'm just repeating what i have read.

Through what measures does TNW protect itself with their home-build kit? Just out of curiosity, i'll drop the idea of you selling such kits, because i understand the risks for you.
 
Word to the wise, Michael. Don't bother posting or asking for advice on how to do things on CGN. You will get a bevvy of opinions intermingled with fact, and mostly of the naysayer variety. Go your own way, do your own investigation, ask your own questions, and hope the completed gun isn't siezed. If and when it is finally approved, come on here and brag about it, but don't get too specific, lest some Judas calls the RCMP on you, and yes, there are many of that sort in our ranks.
 
I don't want to deal with these legality arguments, I will keep my help questions to a PM.

I have decided, i will halt further progress on my tutorial, until (If) i have successfully completed my build with approval. If it is not approved, then i will post the outcome regardless, but minus the build instructions.

I will also include the reasoning i am given (if i am given) behind its disapproval, so that anyone interested may pick up on this project, and improve upon it.


Right now, if you currently own a real mg42 (CA or FA) you have the option of purchasing parts for replacement from marstar i think? That is what was meant by your statement John, or is it limited to businesses and museums who need replacement parts?

Either way, DO NOT ATTEMPT to have any related gun parts exported from the US until i have my tutorial up. If you do so, it is at your own risk, but please do pm me the outcome :), so i may add such part to my list of things i may import from the US.
 
MJ,

You need to deal with the legality BEFORE you start building anything.

If we're coming across to you as naysaying negativists, it's partly because based on what you've put up here already, you have obviously NOT considered the legality issues, nor have you done the research, nor do you understand the potential gravity of the trouble you could be in if you mess up, and there is a LOT of room for messing up in a project such as this.

Marstar has successfully built an approved Semi-Auto MG-42 type rifle. They spend tens of thousands of dollars doing that.

You do not have the benefit of the R&D, the production facility, the lawyers, the experience in dealing with international import/export, and yet you still wish to proceed.

Your doggedness is good, I'm glad to see that you're so inpsired to go ahead with this project.

If you mess up this project, in a mechanical sense, the above pictures will give you an idea of what can happen when a gun blows up. Physical injury to the person shooting (you are not bulletproof) and the firearm is effectively destroyed.

If you mess up this project in a LEGAL sense, you, as a 16 year old, will likely end up getting hauled up to adult court, and instead of having your slate wiped clean when you hit age 18, you'll end up with some sort of record for the rest of your life. I know people who are no longer welcome in the USA because of errors they made when they were young. PNG> Persona Non Grata. And that's not the worst case...worst case is you end up with jail time or at least a huge legal battle to keep you out of jail.

The advice you've received here is from people who have seen and done a thing or two with guns. We were all young once too, and in retrospect, we had some pretty idealistic ideas as well. In our day though, it was far less likely that you'd end up in as much trouble as you can get in today.

We know that such a project can succeed, John has proven that.

We all doubt that you, with your resources, and your lack of knowledge or concern for the legaliites will succeed.

In your failure would be many bad things, mostly for you. We do not wish that upon you.

That is why we may come across as pessimistic or naysaying.

I hope this helps a bit.

NavyShooter
 
NAVY SHOOTER;

Listen to this man he too has "been around"....

YES we are all idealistic when young, we all think in right and wrong, black and white, It ain't so you can't save the world, learn now to adapt and live a long, happy and free life........

AH to be young again eh Navy SHooter
John
 
NAVY SHOOTER:
SO you are retiring ? I hope to as well over the next very short time, employees are already taking over.
An outlet in the east, interesting, keep me posted....
John
 
John,

Time is creeping up on me....16.5 out of 20 done now. (I may do more, we'll see!)

I'm a lot closer now than I was when I sent in my resume last time, eh?

How about a Halifax container unloading and re-packing point? 14 hours by car to VKH....

NS
 
I've dealt with most of the legalities before commencing my build. But i am still awaiting approval for my request regarding the receiver. I understand what your all saying, which is why i decided to keep my tutorial private. I don't want anybody to misinterpret what i say, mean, or do. I also don't want to bring unnecessary attention to just what i am doing either, if i run into issues, i have a couple people i can PM.

Structurally, i am confident in what i am doing, as it nearly mimics the batf approved design down in the USA. While there will be some variation, structurally it should function the same. Legally, i have it covered, but i am also aiming to get "proof" to provide to anybody who questions whats going on. Leaving a fair paper trail behind what i am doing.

Aside from funding for the receiver, and pending approval/disapproval, i have the rest set up, and am just looknig to increase my paper trail for legal reasons.

No need to worry, i haven't given up yet, and expect completion by may-june if things go at least semi-good. Sooner if things run smoother, maybe longer if i run into any ruts.
 
Michael J,

I just hope for the sake of the person who sent you the parts kit you appear to have that they have their ducks in a row for their paperwork, else you may have already gotten them in a pile of trouble (especially if it came up from the USA.)

NS
 
shortandlong said:
john one and navy shooter .........know each other ......go fig ........this community gets smaller and smaller
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S&L,

I had lunch with John at Connaught a few years back when he had a display tent up. That was in 2006 I think.

I wouldn't say I "know" John so much as I have met him and we know who each other are.

I also (half jokingly) applied for the job posting he put up here about 4 years ago, offering him a 3 page resume with some of my various quals, that ended with the caveat that I'd be available in 2012 when my current terms of service expired.

Apparently the first 2 1/2 pages went over well with John....the last sentence resulted in a short trip to the circular file, which we laughed about over that lunch I mentioned.

*shrug*

No conspiracy here, put the tin-foil away please.

I've met or had dealings with many members of the Canadian Shooting community over the years....from John of OVHS, John at Marstar, Peter Kearns of K&M, Andy at AT, Keith and Linda at Milcun....take your pick, in 17-ish years of owning guns and shooting, I've been places and met people, as I'm sure you have too.

NS
 
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