semi vs pump
- Thread starter Fenix.NZ
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pump.
You dont have to move your hands off the grip to rack a round as you would your first round in a semi. Your hands will stay with proper firing grip until the need to reload. I'm trying to say that your trigger hand stays where it should be.
You dont have to move your hands off the grip to rack a round as you would your first round in a semi. Your hands will stay with proper firing grip until the need to reload. I'm trying to say that your trigger hand stays where it should be.
believe it or not but we actually have Canadian Geese here
and mallard ducks.duck shooting is a big thing here, 2 month season
and i can have 7+1 in a semi auto shotgun here.. so the mag restrictions dont really concern me.
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- Canada of course
Pump.
Cool, functional, and it just feels right.
Cool, functional, and it just feels right.
I don't own a "tac" gun. I do however own a PC gun which stands for Predator Control and looks a lot like the tactical guns.
It's a pump because it permits a wider variety of shells from loud blanks to 3" magnum slugs and I can slap on the 14" barrel if circumstances require it.
A pump gun however isn't the best choice for someone who doesn't regularly shoot a pump. When a pump gun fails it's usually operator error. When a semi fails it's either poor maintenance or ammo that isn't sufficiently powerful.
I'm going to stick with my 870 but increasingly the Benelli M2 and M4 are attracting my interest.
It's a pump because it permits a wider variety of shells from loud blanks to 3" magnum slugs and I can slap on the 14" barrel if circumstances require it.
A pump gun however isn't the best choice for someone who doesn't regularly shoot a pump. When a pump gun fails it's usually operator error. When a semi fails it's either poor maintenance or ammo that isn't sufficiently powerful.
I'm going to stick with my 870 but increasingly the Benelli M2 and M4 are attracting my interest.
Exactly the reason why a pump gun trumps a semi. Poor maintenance is still operator error and can be corrected. Bad or weak ammo is not something that can be fixed by the operator.
TDC
Sure it can. Just rack the cocking handle and you are back in business. If a person is going to practice regularly with the gun I think the pump has definite advantages. If not then a semi with proper ammo is a better choice.
I'm happy with my 870 but would feel equally well protected with one of the Benelli semi-autos.
I've got both.
For hunting or trap, an FN Auto five. Auto's sometimes tend to go click instead of bang.(usally my fault some way or another) Too Fickle for defence.
For home defence I have a DA Grizzly 12.5" bbl. Knoxx recoil reduction stock with a nice sticky Houge OM foregrip. I can load it from the ejection port if empty maybe not as fast as an auto but PDQ. And with my Ghost ring night sights can fire 3" slugs about as fast as the auto in the dark.
Always goes BOOM!
It is only my opinion but pump all the way for "Tactical"
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- Grande Prairie, Alberta
pump action, the only sound that truly echoes in the night.
i chose pump action, because it's a simpler, more solid design. perfect for hard use situations.
i would use a semi for waterfowl and sport/exhibition shooting.
i chose pump action, because it's a simpler, more solid design. perfect for hard use situations.
i would use a semi for waterfowl and sport/exhibition shooting.
Correction, the operator cannot prevent stoppages/failures due to bad or weak ammo with a semi. With the pump it doesn't matter.
TDC
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- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
There is the opinion out there that if you want something done right you should do it yourself. Reliable semi-autos are about 100 years old now, yet the notion prevails. The new inertia operated guns will eat any lethal ammunition a pump gun can eat, and if anything they are more reliable. Pumps have advantages, such as affordability and the ability to digest very low pressure ammunition such as signal flares, cracker shells, rubber bullets and bean bag rounds.
When used in a high stress situation against man or beast, the semi auto will not short stroke. As for magazine capacity, I am unsure that there is a great advantage in a tube magazines that hold more than 4 rounds. Adding rounds is not difficult with either action, but an 8 shooter is much heavier. In the infamous "Miami Shootout" (http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs7.htm) it was determined that after the pump shotgun armed FBI agent (Mireles) was wounded he had great difficulty continuing to fire, and his effectivness in the fight was significantly diminished. The pump shotgun armed bad guy (Matix) was likewise ineffective once wounded. Yet the bad guy armed with a Mini-14 (Platt) continued to shoot effectively and quickly even after suffering several serious wounds and killed two agents and wounded 5 others. This certainly brings the wisdom of issuing a pump gun for LEO work into question. But the pump can more easily fire non-lethal ammunition, which may be why it still enjoys almost universal deployment.
When used in a high stress situation against man or beast, the semi auto will not short stroke. As for magazine capacity, I am unsure that there is a great advantage in a tube magazines that hold more than 4 rounds. Adding rounds is not difficult with either action, but an 8 shooter is much heavier. In the infamous "Miami Shootout" (http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs7.htm) it was determined that after the pump shotgun armed FBI agent (Mireles) was wounded he had great difficulty continuing to fire, and his effectivness in the fight was significantly diminished. The pump shotgun armed bad guy (Matix) was likewise ineffective once wounded. Yet the bad guy armed with a Mini-14 (Platt) continued to shoot effectively and quickly even after suffering several serious wounds and killed two agents and wounded 5 others. This certainly brings the wisdom of issuing a pump gun for LEO work into question. But the pump can more easily fire non-lethal ammunition, which may be why it still enjoys almost universal deployment.
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Presumably if the shotgun were being used for serious purposes the owner would test the ammo for reliability whether in a pump or semi.
IMO, the use of the pump shotgun for law enforcement is partly tradition and because the guns don't get the maintenance that an individually issued weapon would get they probably are a better choice.
Despite my love for shotguns in general I have to wonder about whether they are the best choice for law enforcement. I know coppers who look forward to shotgun qualifications with the same enthusiasm as a root canal. Perhaps a better choice would be a light semi-auto carbine like the Beretta Storm in .40 calibre. I can think of several reasons why they would be preferable to a shotgun.
IMO, the use of the pump shotgun for law enforcement is partly tradition and because the guns don't get the maintenance that an individually issued weapon would get they probably are a better choice.
Despite my love for shotguns in general I have to wonder about whether they are the best choice for law enforcement. I know coppers who look forward to shotgun qualifications with the same enthusiasm as a root canal. Perhaps a better choice would be a light semi-auto carbine like the Beretta Storm in .40 calibre. I can think of several reasons why they would be preferable to a shotgun.
