Sending Muzzle Loader from USA to Canada?

antiqueguy said:
IDK about personal sales but track of the wolf has had not problems with sending muzzleloader barrels and ive had antiques and flintlocks sent here no problem i know someone who has brought a cap lock over no problem just had to declare it after the LGR was gone
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The problem is not with the Canadian law. If you declare it at the Canadian border, fine and dandy. You are on canadian soil. It's what happens between point A in the US and point B being the Canadian border. What we are saying is if you get caught by homeland security within the US you could be in for a world of hurt. And if outfits such as Track Of The Wolf have necessary import permts there is no problem. A Canadian in the US cannot even legally transport shotgun shells should you happen to find a deal on some unless you have a hunting licence or have been at a registered sporting event. The stores will still sell them to you because they don't care. I have been told by Cabelas that your are not even legally allowed to transport a rifle scope. Sure a lot of this is going on and everything is always fine until one gets caught. If you are happy and content with the way things have gone so far, then that's great. Even if you end up being in the right, I bet you will be in a world of hurt until it's straightened out should you ever get checked.
 
gunsaholic said:
The problem is not with the Canadian law. If you declare it at the Canadian border, fine and dandy. You are on canadian soil. It's what happens between point A in the US and point B being the Canadian border. What we are saying is if you get caught by homeland security within the US you could be in for a world of hurt. And if outfits such as Track Of The Wolf have necessary import permts there is no problem. A Canadian in the US cannot even legally transport shotgun shells should you happen to find a deal on some unless you have a hunting licence or have been at a registered sporting event. The stores will still sell them to you because they don't care. I have been told by Cabelas that your are not even legally allowed to transport a rifle scope. Sure a lot of this is going on and everything is always fine until one gets caught. If you are happy and content with the way things have gone so far, then that's great. Even if you end up being in the right, I bet you will be in a world of hurt until it's straightened out should you ever get checked.
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they are non guns if you did not read no law for them maybe some laws need to be read out here but its legal to buy a non gun in the US be it powered by air or loaded through the muzzle and there is no issue at the border on the US side all you have to do is declare it sure if it has a scope then you may be in trouble
 
antiqueguy said:
they are non guns if you did not read no law for them maybe some laws need to be read out here but its legal to buy a non gun in the US be it powered by air or loaded through the muzzle and there is no issue at the border on the US side all you have to do is declare it sure if it has a scope then you may be in trouble
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They may be non Guns to you, But US Border Security and Homeland Security on the US side have their own version of what is and what is not.
If you are not dealing with a licensed company you can be in for some big surprises.
 
I was not talking about a scope on a gun, I was talking about a scope by itself in a box. But it doesn't matter. Like I said ,if you are content with what you are doing then giver!
 
Dantforth, you cannot ask a question about Canadian import regulations on this board without having to filter through many warnings about US export regulations. Since you have imported a muzzle loader before, I assumed you know the US export rules. Others on this board assumed otherwise and have the need to warn you about a topic (US export rules) that you did not pose. The Poster on #16 even goes so far as to tell everyone what he thinks the original topic was.
 
Gun5tuff said:
Dantforth, you cannot ask a question about Canadian import regulations on this board without having to filter through many warnings about US export regulations. Since you have imported a muzzle loader before, I assumed you know the US export rules. Others on this board assumed otherwise and have the need to warn you about a topic (US export rules) that you did not pose. The Poster on #16 even goes so far as to tell everyone what he thinks the original topic was.
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No we are not talking about export rules. We are talking about Canadians being in possession of firearms in the US and possibly being checked by homeland security while in the US. But enough said. If you guys like doing this then by all means continue to do so.
 
Gun5tuff said:
Dantforth, you cannot ask a question about Canadian import regulations on this board without having to filter through many warnings about US export regulations. Since you have imported a muzzle loader before, I assumed you know the US export rules. Others on this board assumed otherwise and have the need to warn you about a topic (US export rules) that you did not pose. The Poster on #16 even goes so far as to tell everyone what he thinks the original topic was.
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If I am the poster number 16 you are referring to I will make it very clear MY post which I formally said "THIS" post was not to explain regulations and WAS not referring to the ORIGINAL poster but was in reply to some that think they can just make their own firearms laws and tell the U.S. Homeland Security and Customs Officials on both sides what the laws are and run around in the U.S. with a firearm till you decide to import it.
I'm done, :HR: my post was to help some body out from years of experience dealing with the border and U.S. law enforcement. You all have fun , hope you don't run into the LAPD right now and try to explain why you have a "weapon" with you.
 
Well, I can tell all of you that you can bring muzzle loading firearms from the USA to Canada. I checked with the US State Dept., the BATF, Canada Customs and the Canadian Dept. of Foreign Affairs. There are no US export restrictions regarding muzzle loaders. There are no restrictions coming into Canada as an import either. Here is the info I received from Foreign Affairs. It is self explanatory. David
COPIED - Q1. I want to buy a firearm from the US and have it sent to me in Canada.

A1. Any holder of a valid Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) may import a restricted or non-restricted firearm, depending on the limitations of their PAL. However, the US control the export of most firearms (antiques and muzzle-loaders are not controlled for export) and the US must issue an export licence to the American exporter. Prior to issuing this licence the US government requires that the Canadian importer present a document from Canada allowing this proposed transaction. To satisfy that US requirement Canadian residents may apply for an International Import Certificate (IIC).

The following steps are involved;
a.
have the US seller identify the exporter - the US government requires that this exporter be a Federal Firearms Licenced (FFL) gun dealer for most exports. In many cases the US seller is an FFL dealer.

b.
apply to Foreign Affairs and Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada (DFAIT) for an International Import Certificate (IIC) by calling (613) 996-2387 or by faxing your request to (613) 996-9933 and requesting blank application forms. Once completed, the form should be returned to ITCan for processing and certification. Expect this process to take 2-3 weeks. The certified document will then be returned to the applicant for onward delivery to the US exporter. There is no charge for the IIC.

c.
pre-register the firearm through the Canada Firearms Centre. Pre-registration allows the importer to clear the firearm through the Canada Border Service Agency without any undue delay.

d.
the US exporter will attach their copy of the IIC to their application for an export licence. In the US, applications for shotguns are administered by the Department of Commerce and for all other firearms are administered by the Department of State.

e.
once the US export licence is issued the US exporter may then send the firearm to Canada.

f.
the Canadian importer is responsible for declaring the value of the firearm to Canada Customs and for ensuring that all safe storage and safe transportation regulations are observed.

g.
within 30 days of arrival in Canada, the importer must have the firearm verified and such verification confirmed with the Canada Firearms Centre.


Q2. I want to go to the US and buy a firearm and return with it to Canada.

A2. The US passed new legislation in February 2003 which makes it illegal for a ‘non-resident alien’ to come into possession of a firearm in the US. This does not apply to antiques or muzzle-loading firearms, nor does it apply to Canadians with legal residency in the US or to US citizens, regardless of their residency. A Canadian may purchase a firearm in the US but cannot take possession of it, nor can they export it from the US. The only legal method is to come back to Canada and follow the steps in Question 1 (above).
 
BSA Jack......I actually went to the LAPD during my searching for the regulations regarding ML's. They advised that they have no interest in ML's as they are not regulated here as normal modern firearms are. The very same as antique firearms. Dave
 
Read all that before, and did as it says. Problem is, Homeland security didn't give a hoot, and seized my ML barrel, refused to release it, and sold it at auction.
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They grabed it from the mail. It was sent from a private individual with all the proper declarations. They would only release it if the sender got an FFL license, and paid some other fee's.
The barrel was for a Remington 700 Muzzle loader. Clearly factory marked as for what it is for, but the guys with power don't care. The shame was this happened during the postal lockout last year. It made it to Canada, and was returned to the US because of the backlog, and it got grabed the second time USPS tried to send it back to Canada.
Pete
 
petew said:
They grabed it from the mail. It was sent from a private individual with all the proper declarations. They would only release it if the sender got an FFL license, and paid some other fee's.
The barrel was for a Remington 700 Muzzle loader. Clearly factory marked as for what it is for, but the guys with power don't care. The shame was this happened during the postal lockout last year. It made it to Canada, and was returned to the US because of the backlog, and it got grabed the second time USPS tried to send it back to Canada.
Pete
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well there may be a problem its for the rem 700 platform normal muzzleloader barrels make it no problem (ie non inline barrel)
 
Muzzle Loader Barrel

petew said:
They grabed it from the mail. It was sent from a private individual with all the proper declarations. They would only release it if the sender got an FFL license, and paid some other fee's.
The barrel was for a Remington 700 Muzzle loader. Clearly factory marked as for what it is for, but the guys with power don't care. The shame was this happened during the postal lockout last year. It made it to Canada, and was returned to the US because of the backlog, and it got grabed the second time USPS tried to send it back to Canada.
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Sorry to hear about your loss, Pete. I imagine homeland security officers have the same disease as our RCMP in that the barrel has the potential to be converted into a cartrige firing barrel. How do you fight that?
Pete
 
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