seriously... why is black badge training so expensive?

Canuck44 said:
Have you talked to anybody who has shot it?.... or read the rules?

Take care

Bob
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Bob yes we at the kingston club have all sat dowen and looked at the rules, if i remmber right, we all talked to Pat and pete at the Provincials about this at lenght.
Tis the reason why we run our own 3 gun matches and not idpa Muti gun matches.
bbb
 
speedjunkiesracing said:
Lets see. $200 for BB course.
$75 for 1 year membership
$25 for the books and stuff
$100 for 2 full days of shooting. How is that expensive??

Wait till you start shooting matches IPSC or IDPA.
$20 to $40 for about 2 hours with 8 guys shooting.
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= 2.10sec of shooting :)

i did a count up when i shot the IPSC Nats a few years AGO
40HRS of work
$1000 spent
17:14sec total time shooting.
Its like bull rideing but without the prizes :)
bbb
 
hey lets talk ratios now

^^
That very ratio [40h/17.14"] is the elephant in IPSC's room that no one tells beginners (or heaven forbid, BB aspirants) about.

It is interesting to watch new shooter's reactions when this gradually dawns on them. It starts when they're asked to help tear down their first match. The stark reality is driven home a few weeks later when they're asked to help build stages for the next match. ;)

I imagine IDPA has a similar ratio of work/shooting time.
 
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lol. I usually get at least 3x my money's worth as badboybeeson did at Nationals.

There's a serious amount of volunteer time involved. Lots of physical
and 3-D-ish visualization work. When the match team is not too burnt out I think of that as part of the fun.

IPSC is unlike golf in that we maintain our own greens and fairways.
 
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lol and thats why I love 3 gun, your individual time spent shooting each stage is pretty decent, and at the end of the day you get a change to shoot a door down
 
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colt45gunner said:
Well, if many of you don't realize what the problem is, there's no point in getting into it. Cause if you haven't realized it by now (and you shoot it regularly) then you're not going to get it, or maybe just will not care too.
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Wow.......what a cop out Colt! Come on!

If you have a legitimate beef with the system then please bring it forth.

Now I am mainly an IPSC shooter as you know but the IDPA scoring system (aside from the ice dancing component) is pretty straight forward.
 
Vickers scoring is derived from the simple scoring Leatham and Enos used for scoring their practice sessions
To quote from Larry Vickers website "IDPA Vickers Count scoring system is named after me -I did not originate it however; I learned it from Rob Leatham (an interesting story in itself)"
Leatham in turn credits it to Enos and refers to it as such in his Drillmaster drills. Likewise I use it in most of my training drills as it gives a quick and easy scoring system to find out what works and what doesn't when practicing. I haven't shot any IDPA yet but it should be fairly effective.
 
stormbringer said:
Wow.......what a cop out Colt! Come on!

If you have a legitimate beef with the system then please bring it forth.

Now I am mainly an IPSC shooter as you know but the IDPA scoring system (aside from the ice dancing component) is pretty straight forward.
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Please explain the "ice dancing component" of IDPA scoring.

Colt can't explain his problems with IDPA scoring because he has no idea how it works and would bet even money he doesn't know how IPSC scoring is done either.

Each sport attracts different individuals. Some like one over the other and others shoot both. Both have their appeal. I know shooters who have tried IPSC and decided it is not the sport for them, so too IDPA. If we all felt the same way there would be one happy lady/man in this world and a whole lot of unhappy ones.;) Be happy you have choices.

Take Care

Bob
 
I don't have problem with IDPA, I've shot some of their matches and will go back for more fun !!

O.K. Storm, I guess I can elaborate....
I havent read the rule book, going on what I've seen from shooting a few matches...
i just can't see how the scoring is a fair and accurate way to determine a match results ?
if using for a practise run, you can see how long it took you over shooting it again and again and maybe trying different route thru the stage and gauging your self..

but in a match, with multi stages and multi shooters, you have times of the stages (of which can be longer time, if certain penalties are added for mistakes, etc..) and then all stage times are added up to give overall time, as your final score (is this idpa ? or just individual scoring i've come across ?)

So, how is this fair ? if at least 2 stage match or 3 or 6, etc..stage match, then one stage that you totally ruined by very long time), can still give an overall time to ruin the entire match for you.. instead of it ruining that stage result and definately hurting your overall result...
That one bad stage shouldn't be able to ruin your whole match.. IMHO.
And if one runs thru a stage really quick and short time, but very sloppy hits and he/she is given the added seconds for those sloppy hits and maybe even fails to engage a target or three..but those were very hard to shoot targets that would have taken said time to go thru that part, will the penalty be enough to erase the seconds he/she saved by running past it and enough penalty too have truly hurt the score over another shooter who's gone thru the COF as it was intended ?
If you fail to finish, how many seconds are added to your time ? and are those enough to make sure he/she has worse score then someone who shot entire stage, but just reeeeeaaaaaaally slow, due to their skill or other reasons ?

and have the 2 or 3 or 5, etc... seconds added for what ever penalties, been calculated to properly represent fair and accurate penalty, in balance to what others may shoot the stage in ?

I'm not saying that ipsc scoring is better cause i'm regular ipsc shooter.. but it just seems to be a pretty cool formula created to better gauge ones performance compared to another and a terrible stage lowers your overall score, but can't ruin an entire match...
Again, IMHO
I'm not bashing the sport itself, cause it way COOL, as Ipsc, but in its own way...just think the scoring system needs to be modified.... not that we'll win any great prizes and free trips, etc.. but just to be fair.. IMHO
 
John in B.C. said:
Really??? Please explain :confused:

I shoot both IDPA and IPSC on a regular basis. I find IDPA scoring works very well for IDPA stages and matches...simple to score and simple to understand all the way through including the posted final results.

As a matter of fact I like IDPA scoring so much I included an option to use it when I wrote the rules for BC MultiGun League: and all my local multigun matches are run with IDPA scoring.

So please....explain what is wrong with the IDPA scoring system?

Maybe I missed something :confused:

John
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It is very simple and easy to use and follow, etc...
and quicker way to score a stage, for matches running smoother
but these factors shouldn't be what you consider in choosing a scoring system... finding a good way that better represents each shooters skill level compared to the others, should weigh more.
IMHO
 
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