Shadow 2 REVIEW, unpacking, initial thoughts (very pic heavy)

Thanks. Just had one in my hands since this post & yea the double action pull is a bit heavy. It might be all in my head but the reset seemed longer than my Shadow as well. Outside of that it felt great in my hands, mag release was easy to reach & the grip is very positive. Can't wait for my transfer to go through so I can head to the range & sight in. Then a holster & off to the races.
abb1 said:
It comes with a stainless steel full length guide rod! It pretty much has everything you could want. The only thing that I may change is the Main Spring to a 13lb. However, that is just to lower the double action pull, and to tell you the truth, that pull is so smooth, it is really a pleasure to shoot even with the stock 16 lb spring.


That is true, but I like the extended safety to rest my thumb on when shooting. I find it ensures the highest grip on the gun. It is just a matter of preference!
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abb1 said:
That is true, but I like the extended safety to rest my thumb on when shooting. I find it ensures the highest grip on the gun. It is just a matter of preference!
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Definitely preference. One of the biggest complaints from the best shooters in IPSC and USPSA regarding the Shadow 1 was the wide safeties. I'll definitely be keeping the slim ones on mine.
 
If the reset feels long in SA it's probably because the new gun hasn't had the overtravel screw adjusted.
As for the thumb safeties, it is 100% personal preference, however I can guarantee you that with the flush safeties a person can get a much much higher grip than with paddle safeties, that's why some of us choose them. It's not because we don't need them in PD it's because they get in the way.
 
Slavex said:
As for the thumb safeties, it is 100% personal preference, however I can guarantee you that with the flush safeties a person can get a much much higher grip than with paddle safeties, that's why some of us choose them. It's not because we don't need them in PD it's because they get in the way.
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Damn Slavex, you have me convinced to try the flush safety. Being a 1911 shooter, my thumb always rests on the safety, so it is just habit. I will play around and see which suits me better. I always appreciate the input! It gives options that you may not otherwise consider!
 
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Onagoth said:
Never happened to me....maybe stop throwing your gun in dump bins?
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Try it for yourself. It surprised me when I did. Safety on, put the gun down on a carpeted surface on its left side with a bit of a drop with gun travelling towards its top end. CZ's have a very weak safety detent, and especially the extended Czechmate safety flips off with very little gun speed set down on carpet. Don't have to throw it, just put it down without coming to a complete stop.
 
adamg said:
Try it for yourself. It surprised me when I did. Safety on, put the gun down on a carpeted surface on its left side with a bit of a drop with gun travelling towards its top end. CZ's have a very weak safety detent, and especially the extended Czechmate safety flips off with very little gun speed set down on carpet. Don't have to throw it, just put it down without coming to a complete stop.
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I'm not sure I would want to, too risky. ..

. I've always placed my guns in the bottom of the bin so it doesn't slide. My stock 3 has a fairly weak safety but it's never moved.

But even without the thick safety, the thin ones I found I couldn't manipulate easily, so it seems like some time lost either way
 
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Slavex said:
If the reset feels long in SA it's probably because the new gun hasn't had the overtravel screw adjusted.
As for the thumb safeties, it is 100% personal preference, however I can guarantee you that with the flush safeties a person can get a much much higher grip than with paddle safeties, that's why some of us choose them. It's not because we don't need them in PD it's because they get in the way.
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When would you apply a safety when running a stage in IPSC Production? Just curious. Same is true with IDPA SSP Division. Start to finish I can't envision where you would. I just assumed that is why the 75 Shadowline came with such thin and almost unusable safety paddles.

I can see where folks coming from a 1911 pattern pistol might want the wider paddles as it allow for a much more comfortable high thumb hold on the gun without running the risk of interfering with the slide operation. One feature I did like with my old Shadow and one I missed with the Shadowline, although it didn't take much time to adjust. I will have my new Shadow in hand by the end of this week I suspect. Once in hand I will see how much I missed the larger paddles or not.

Take Care

Bob
 
No, when moving I wouldn't put on a safety. If I remember correctly it was a suggested practice waaay back before I got into IPSC.
I totally get why 1911 guys would run paddles though, simply being used to them. Some people think it also helps with controlling the gun, like thumb rests. I disagree, and don't have any issue controlling my gun to the same level as anyone with them. The trick with flush safeties is to make sure you're not putting your thumb in the same spot as you would with paddles, wrap that thumb out and over the base of your other thumb and clamp down. this gives you the best grip you can get. But, if you have short thumbs it may not be doable.
 
Thanks for the tip Rob. I just bought another Shadow and will go with the high thumb rest only because I am used to it. When I shoot my Shadowline I began doing what you do in order to keep away from the slide. I may just adopt that method for all my semis. I pretty much go by what I am shooting. I am not overly concerned about swapping around the strong hand. I do hold the gun the same way using the weak hand though.

I agree I don't think it helps much to have the thumb high on the paddle. Back 10 years ago I was switching the safety off and on when moving. I quit doing it after a SO called me for a finger DQ when I flipped the paddle up as I went to engage a target. He may have been right but I decided to change and left the safety off after that. Such is life in the slow lane. :>)

Take Care

Bob
 
Rob...can you recommend some parts that might be needed for a Shadow 2 parts kit....and some things that I might want to change out (recoil springs or mainsprings)

I've heard the shadows would go through slide stops pretty quickly, is it the same for the shadow 2?
 
Mine just showed up. First impressions?

It's pretty heavy, recoil must be negligible.

Trigger is superb

Flush safety seems to be completely unusable for my right thumb to operate unless I twist my hand to flick it off. Maybe it's just stiff and will brealk in, but I just can't gt enough purchase on the safety to click it down. I'm going to try it at the range before change anything though. It's dead easy to disengage with my left thumb as I slide my left hand into position, though. :)

I think the urban grey looks good, I like it more than the blue/black.

So far, very pleased.
 
Clark, the whole idea is you're not supposed to use the flush safeties, they are really just cosmetic. If you want to use safeties install the other set the gun comes with, don't expect the flush ones to get any easier.
Onagoth, the slidestops should last longer due to improvements they made to the hole in the frame (seriously) but I'd still have a couple spares sitting around. As for other parts, I'd still recommend the 11.5lb hammer spring from Cajun Gun Works, and an 11lb recoil. But if you play IPSC of course the 11.5lb isn't PD legal as it's not from CZ, I might be able to get more 11lb from CZ at the Euros this week, I'll see what Robin has on his table again Wednesday. I picked up a set of red Shadow 2 grips today for my match gun over here. ######xxyyyy. Now I have two spare sets of blue grips for the 2 for sale if anyone wants a second set.
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So you thumb roll the hammer all the way down and leave the safety off when holstered? For some reason I thought IPSC rules required safeties engaged when holstered, with pistols that employ safeties.

I don't IPSC, so not sure of the rules.
 
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