shadow or 1911

1911's in any caliber are fantastic guns to shoot. But when it comes to competitions using a single action limits your class options. A 1911 in IPSC automatically puts you into Standard where you have to deal with minor and major power factor implications as well as being one round down with most mags and shooting against folks that have doctored their own guns up with big mag wells, trigger jobs and other upgrades. If you don't care about that then just get your 1911 in the caliber of your choice and shoot in Standard as best you can with what you get.

The CZ's in the options that fit the IPDA SSP specs can also be used in IPSC Production class. You can even upgrade some of the little things like going with fiber optic front sight and match target rear sight as long as you stick with CZ OEM parts. That way one gun can shoot in either IDPA or IPSC. And if you get the urge to shoot in Standard you just need to #### and lock it instead of lowering the hammer.

So all in all a non Shadow 85 or similar would be your most versatile option. Or get the Shadow and replace the heavy rubber grips with the feather light CZ plastic grips. That should bring the gun with magazine to just a hair under the 39oz limit. At least that's what I've heard is all that is needed. If so just shoot it in both with the same plastic grips on the gun.
 
D_ said:
It's a good gun no question but I broke a slide stop and trigger return spring at least once a month when I used to run it in IPSC.

Nothings as reliable/fun/rewarding to shoot as a nice 1911. My opinion.
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Too heavy of recoil spring may have contributed to slide stop failure as it gets stressed when slide goes forward. They usually last 50K rounds. Not sure about TRS.

There will be Shadow with short dustcover available next year, it'll be making weight for SSP out of the box ;)
 
BCRider said:
So all in all a non Shadow 85 or similar would be your most versatile option. Or get the Shadow and replace the heavy rubber grips with the feather light CZ plastic grips. That should bring the gun with magazine to just a hair under the 39oz limit. At least that's what I've heard is all that is needed. If so just shoot it in both with the same plastic grips on the gun.
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NO the plastic grips put on the Shadow will not get you down to 39oz. You have to buy the Dennis Martshal thin grips that weigh only .4oz then buy the 75B mag brake and trim it to get to 39oz. You should weigh your mags as well. Some of my mags left me just over 39oz while others put me right on 39 oz. with the changes I have aluuded to.

The regular SP-01 with the FPB will get to 39 oz with the plastic grips. The gun has a lighter frame/slide with the cut out for the FPB cut out as well as the regular SP-01's frame is not the same as the Shadows. There are two differences. The Shadow is cut deeper under the Beavertail and under the trigger guard.

Take Care

Bob
 
carsmovies said:
Not if you're shooting .40 S&W in major.
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Sorry, I guess I didn't make the reference to being a round down clear enough. I was referring to single stack 1911's. Unless extended mags are used then a 9mm only holds 9 rounds as far as I know. And a single stack 1911 in .40 I believe holds either 8 or 9 unless an extended mag again is used.

I read a thread recently about 9mm 10 round single stack mags that don't stick out much past the base. Not sure where I saw it or who makes them.
 
Thin mag brake and slide stop from 75B will trim some weight. Regular SP-01 safeties are lighter too. One can remove some metal from slide stop the way it's recommended for longer 147gr bullets as well. But Marschal's grip panels are a must. All that will give some room for mags' weight variations, maybe even for grip tape.
Also, it seems late SP-01s and Shadows have frame cut exactly same in bevertail and trigger guard areas. Too bad we don't have luxury of choosing frames, I just spoke with a guy in TX last night, Matt Mink is gonna pick him lightest Shadow frame from the bunch to make IDPA weight :) they vary a bit..
 
CeeZer said:
Thin mag brake and slide stop from 75B will trim some weight. Regular SP-01 safeties are lighter too. One can remove some metal from slide stop the way it's recommended for longer 147gr bullets as well. But Marschal's grip panels are a must. All that will give some room for mags' weight variations, maybe even for grip tape.
Also, it seems late SP-01s and Shadows have frame cut exactly same in bevertail and trigger guard areas. Too bad we don't have luxury of choosing frames, I just spoke with a guy in TX last night, Matt Mink is gonna pick him lightest Shadow frame from the bunch to make IDPA weight :) they vary a bit..
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I think you will find the weight problem with the Shadow lies in the fact it doesn't have the FPB cutouts in the frame or slide that adds to the weight. Your mentioning of the identical frames makes sense but is the first I have heard about it. Likely will be awhile before we see them in Canada.

My Shadow weighed in stock at 4.1 oz so if that is true of most you have 2.1oz to trim back.

Take Care

Bob
 
According to czcustom site data (I forget what my rubber grips weighted) factory rubber grips are 2.4oz, Marschal's grips are .4oz, so 2oz are gone at once.
And as I pointed out, little here little there will def get one under 39oz.
I'm still to see weight diff between comp and factory hammers, I can post that data in 3 days or so.
I will be using same but much improved 75SA at next Provincials :)

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My original grips weighed in at 2.3oz.and the original mag brake .2oz for a total wight of 2.5oz. With their removal I was down to 38.6 oz. After I trimed the 75B brake it did not register on my scale so it was less than .1oz. I added the Marshal grips weighing in at .4oz. With three of my four mags my gun weighs in at exactly 39oz.

There really isn't very much wiggle room. After all of that I prefer the CZ85 Combat over the Shadow for IDPA and use it in ESP. My M&P rides with me when I go SSP.

To make matters worse I have a friendly wager with JimS from Calgary on who is the most inept in SSR so next year it is a wheel gun in the holster for better or worse.

Take Care

Bob
 
BCRider said:
.... I was referring to single stack 1911's. Unless extended mags are used then a 9mm only holds 9 rounds as far as I know. And a single stack 1911 in .40 I believe holds either 8 or 9 unless an extended mag again is used.

I read a thread recently about 9mm 10 round single stack mags that don't stick out much past the base. Not sure where I saw it or who makes them.
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Tripp makes both 9mm and .40 S&W 10 rd mags for 1911s that will allow the gun to fit in the IPSC box with the mags inserted.
 
well the verdict is in...I went to the 3 local shops today...3 hours of driving and i have purchased a handgun. First store had nothing.....second store had the entire cz line up and a few 1911 in 9mm, last store....good ol reliable gun..showed me all the shadows and low end 9mm 1911 the he pulled a kimber out needless to say i now have one and I blew my budget right to hell with this purchase but I plan on keeping it forever...I have never felt a gun that felt so right in my hand...
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Kimber Custom aegis II
o lordy im in it now.
 
Kimber makes nice stuff. You may have blown your budget but now you've got a great foundation upon which to build a great collection.

What caliber is it? I see .45 casings in the picture but that doesn't mean much since there may be other chamberings offered.

Also now that you've got a center fire your next mission will be to find a nice .22 to help you kick your inevitable flinching issue that you'll get just like the rest of us.... :D
 
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