Shooting a 223 to a mile accurately..Video posted!!!
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Mystic Precision
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I am pleasantly surprised at the interest this post has brought. Very nice to see. I hope that all those that has asked questions will start putting ideas into rifles.
That will be great to see more project rifles come to life. Especially in smaller, more economical cartridges.
For the first time in about a week, the clouds parted and the winds slowed down. Grabbed my rifle and headed out. Sorry, GR, didn't have time to set something up. Probably Friday again, if it doesn't snow.
Had just annealed a box of older brass and was curious to see how it would work. Loaded with the same 80gr Amax receipe.
Of course, the winds were still blowing and gusty but it wasn't snowing. Set up and sent some down range at 1400yds. Winds on the hill were higher then where I was. Crank in some windage and dropping them in and around the target rock was pretty straightforward.
Off too 1550yds with similar results. Then the winds picked up and I went from holding 1mil dot, to 2 then to off the scope....big gust. Wait a bit, 4 dots, the full reticle, then a bunch bracketing 2 and 3dots, then dead on, then hold the other way, then back to bracketing 2 and 3 dots, then....
Elevation was bouncing around too with head and tail winds pushing the bullet up and down. Doesn't take much at that distance. Really got to put up some flags as you can't guess the wind changes.
Did hit the target rock a few times though which was nice. Dropped two then the winds changed and I scrambled to adj. When the mornings warm up, I will go when the winds are calm early in the morning.
The mile was next. Of course, what was moderately gusty at 1550 was strong gusty at 1730yds. Caught some decent air, adjusted and got a few landing on target, then "where did they go". A few more later and a puff at the edge of the scope.
In the time I took to load and send another, I went from dead on the rock to just off the scope some 12mins away....that's a strong wind change.
It never really settled down after that so I gave up and spent the rest of the ammo at 1550yds.
With flags up, doping this rig will be the most challenging of all my rifles and the most rewarding when I figure it out. Without flags, gets frustrating in a hurry.
New scope coming that will have much more internal adj for windage and mil dots spaced for max mag. Will be alot easier to dope with that.
There are still a number of bullets that drift out of the dusty target area and I don't see any impacts. I have to assume they have drifted off and not tumbled. The bullets that I 'group' do show consistency and driving them is possible IF you can tell what the wind is doing before I pull the trigger.
Elevation come ups have stayed consistent within the normal changes that you need to do for light, wind, and temp. That applies to any cartridge.
Will try a large volume test of the 75gr Amax shortly. The few rds I have shot did make the trip. Let's see how they hold up over 50rds.
The 80gr Amax is doing fine (as much as I can tell anyways).
Looking forward to drier, windless days...
Jerry
PS didn't see anything great nor bad about the newly annealed cases. Conditions were just too bouncy even for the 'good' ammo that I brought along for comparison. We will see as I send more bullets downrange.
That will be great to see more project rifles come to life. Especially in smaller, more economical cartridges.
For the first time in about a week, the clouds parted and the winds slowed down. Grabbed my rifle and headed out. Sorry, GR, didn't have time to set something up. Probably Friday again, if it doesn't snow.
Had just annealed a box of older brass and was curious to see how it would work. Loaded with the same 80gr Amax receipe.
Of course, the winds were still blowing and gusty but it wasn't snowing. Set up and sent some down range at 1400yds. Winds on the hill were higher then where I was. Crank in some windage and dropping them in and around the target rock was pretty straightforward.
Off too 1550yds with similar results. Then the winds picked up and I went from holding 1mil dot, to 2 then to off the scope....big gust. Wait a bit, 4 dots, the full reticle, then a bunch bracketing 2 and 3dots, then dead on, then hold the other way, then back to bracketing 2 and 3 dots, then....
Elevation was bouncing around too with head and tail winds pushing the bullet up and down. Doesn't take much at that distance. Really got to put up some flags as you can't guess the wind changes.
Did hit the target rock a few times though which was nice. Dropped two then the winds changed and I scrambled to adj. When the mornings warm up, I will go when the winds are calm early in the morning.
The mile was next. Of course, what was moderately gusty at 1550 was strong gusty at 1730yds. Caught some decent air, adjusted and got a few landing on target, then "where did they go". A few more later and a puff at the edge of the scope.
In the time I took to load and send another, I went from dead on the rock to just off the scope some 12mins away....that's a strong wind change.
It never really settled down after that so I gave up and spent the rest of the ammo at 1550yds.
With flags up, doping this rig will be the most challenging of all my rifles and the most rewarding when I figure it out. Without flags, gets frustrating in a hurry.
New scope coming that will have much more internal adj for windage and mil dots spaced for max mag. Will be alot easier to dope with that.
There are still a number of bullets that drift out of the dusty target area and I don't see any impacts. I have to assume they have drifted off and not tumbled. The bullets that I 'group' do show consistency and driving them is possible IF you can tell what the wind is doing before I pull the trigger.
Elevation come ups have stayed consistent within the normal changes that you need to do for light, wind, and temp. That applies to any cartridge.
Will try a large volume test of the 75gr Amax shortly. The few rds I have shot did make the trip. Let's see how they hold up over 50rds.
The 80gr Amax is doing fine (as much as I can tell anyways).
Looking forward to drier, windless days...
Jerry
PS didn't see anything great nor bad about the newly annealed cases. Conditions were just too bouncy even for the 'good' ammo that I brought along for comparison. We will see as I send more bullets downrange.
Great pictures, Suputin! How about starting a thread on your Mauser pictured there?
I am really interested in that rifle. Have a Boyd Bros laminted thumbhole target stock for a 98 Mauser. Planning to build a 22-6mm Ackley, but perhaps I should just stick with a 243.
Ted
Unfortunately that rifle is long gone. Those pics were probably 4 or 5 years old.
IMO the Mauser action is not really stiff enough for the ultra fine accuracy needed for such longrange shooting.
While Jerry is really pushing the limits of the .224 long range bullet, either 6mm (243) or 6.5mm are actually better choices. If you look through a BC chart and cross reference to a muzzle velocity chart you will see that both muzzle velocity and BC peak at the 6.5mm caliber. Meaning these are going to be the best choices for long range shooting.
Now of course someone is going to come along and say their .... at the other end of the spectrum is the best choice but that is just what happens on these types of forums.
IMO the Mauser action is not really stiff enough for the ultra fine accuracy needed for such longrange shooting.
While Jerry is really pushing the limits of the .224 long range bullet, either 6mm (243) or 6.5mm are actually better choices. If you look through a BC chart and cross reference to a muzzle velocity chart you will see that both muzzle velocity and BC peak at the 6.5mm caliber. Meaning these are going to be the best choices for long range shooting.
Now of course someone is going to come along and say their .... at the other end of the spectrum is the best choice but that is just what happens on these types of forums.
Mystic Precision
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In preparation for the LR shoot next weekend, I flagged the target areas I am shooting into.
Today, started with mild winds and the 6.5 mystic made the trip no problem. For those interested in LR 6.5's, the 139gr Scenar has no issue making it to the mile when launched at 2900fps. Supposed to go subsonic around 1400yds. Stayed accurate and driveable. Only had a few bullets at the mile which was a pity but will push more lead out there this week.
Looking forward to seeing what it does beyond 2000yds.
The 223 with 75gr Amax did a good showing of itself at a mile before the storm crept over the hill. Quite a driveable set up. Getting a good idea of where the bullets are drifting which makes spotting much easier. Drops and drifts more then the 80gr Amax but in a factory sav/rem/tikka, a very useable LR bullet.
The streamers sure helped a lot and really gives an idea of how different the air is moving over that hill.
Very very bumpy...
Jerry
Today, started with mild winds and the 6.5 mystic made the trip no problem. For those interested in LR 6.5's, the 139gr Scenar has no issue making it to the mile when launched at 2900fps. Supposed to go subsonic around 1400yds. Stayed accurate and driveable. Only had a few bullets at the mile which was a pity but will push more lead out there this week.
Looking forward to seeing what it does beyond 2000yds.
The 223 with 75gr Amax did a good showing of itself at a mile before the storm crept over the hill. Quite a driveable set up. Getting a good idea of where the bullets are drifting which makes spotting much easier. Drops and drifts more then the 80gr Amax but in a factory sav/rem/tikka, a very useable LR bullet.
The streamers sure helped a lot and really gives an idea of how different the air is moving over that hill.
Very very bumpy...
Jerry
Mystic Precision
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This weekend we got some pretty decent conditions. Light to no winds where we were with light gusty winds off the top of the hill at a mile.
Was able to get some video footage of impacts at 1550yds and the mile in moderate gusty conditions. Then today some hits on a small boulder at the mile. Target face on the boulder approx 12" X 12".
Even this morning with very light conditions at the bottom, the winds were still light gusty at the top. Took a while to get used to what the little tape flags were telling me but we did get some hits.
Best part, two other shooters were able to get hits on the same rock albeit with the 75gr Amax vs the 80gr that I was shooting. Nice to see Troutseeker and Lionhill connect on that rock.
The clips will be edited and will post in a few days/week or so. Not sure what it will look like so am looking forward to it.
Want to thank Lionhill for setting up the gear and making/editing the video.
Jerry
Was able to get some video footage of impacts at 1550yds and the mile in moderate gusty conditions. Then today some hits on a small boulder at the mile. Target face on the boulder approx 12" X 12".
Even this morning with very light conditions at the bottom, the winds were still light gusty at the top. Took a while to get used to what the little tape flags were telling me but we did get some hits.
Best part, two other shooters were able to get hits on the same rock albeit with the 75gr Amax vs the 80gr that I was shooting. Nice to see Troutseeker and Lionhill connect on that rock.
The clips will be edited and will post in a few days/week or so. Not sure what it will look like so am looking forward to it.
Want to thank Lionhill for setting up the gear and making/editing the video.
Jerry
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troutseeker
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No way did Troutseeker hit at a mile with a 223. ESPECIALLY with a Savage..............
(sarcasm)
I'm with you on that one! It's kinda, like, not a possible proposition!
Man it was a blast, hope you can make it next year.
Troutseeker
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4yfajXoiqg
The link will get you to the video put together by Lionhill on the Summerland Shoot and my attempts at smacking a small rock at one mile.
Unfortunately, the image is not as clear as we would have liked so I will do a play by play.
The target rock was measured at 12" X 12" but because of the angle we view the rock (uphill), it presents a much shorter target. Plus with the incoming angle of the bullet, not sure how big a target the bullet actually 'saw'. No matter, the rock is sub MOA at 1730/1740yds which was ranged by several Swarovski laser rangefinders. 20 to 30yds short of the official mile but close enough for me.
In the first clip - 3 shots at a mile, you are looking for two small rocks in the lower left of the view next to a small stake with surveyors tape. I was trying to put the bullets between the rock and the stake to kick up dust. Worked ok but not as dusty as I would have liked.
As the title fades, look at the rock closes to the stake. The hit is a black flash a few inches from the right base of that rock. Time 1:12
The next shot drifts right just behind the stake at time 1:45
The final shot in this string lands a few inches from the first at the right base of the rock. Time 2:03.
The next clip actually has 6 shots but you can hear from the commentary, I saw the first hit off the rock by Lionhill didn't. As the clip starts look on the top of the target rock and you will just catch a flash of dust.
Then you can hear us talking about the shot. Optics from the Elite 4200 Tactical at 24X is pretty darn good - I could spot all my hits.
The first real visible hit is pretty much dead center although called low. Time 2:32 Nice round puff of dust. Those 80gr AMax are still hitting pretty well.
The next shot is dropped short by about 1ft and really visible. windage was good though compared to the previous shot. Time 2:46 This was due to not timing the flags properly and getting hit by a headwind gust. Doesn't take much.
The next shot is again on the rock just right of center. Time 3:02. Please note the shaking and gentle comments. That would be us being in the wake of a 50BMG. I think you can also hear the often commented words from the Alberta guys "where did it go?" or something like that
The next shot lands top right of the rock. Time 3:18
The final shot lands right on the last shot at time 3:32.
5 out of 6 six on a sub MOA sized rock at 1mile using a 223. I can live with that.
Watch the dust clouds. They go from blowing left to right, then right to left, then switching again. It was very twitchy up there and it took a while to figure out what the flags were telling me.
The flag next to the target rock really doesn't move and was not the flag I was paying most attention to. That flag was higher up and to the right of the target rocks - outside the camera's view. This one was showing the crosswinds, and headwinds rolling off the top of the hill. What happened here affected where my bullets landed. The others just lied!
Shooting to a mile with the 80gr Amax out of 223 is not only possible, can be done with a far amount of accuracy. Any gusty conditions makes this task very challenging. Sunday morning just happened to be almost dead calm at the base to almost the top of the hill. The bumpy air and crosswinds came from behind the hill rolling over the top.
Way too much fun.
After I stopped, Troutseeker and Lionhill took their turns at the helm but shot 75gr Amax out there. They both recorded hits on the same rock so this bullets is making the trip with almost equal performance - a bit more twitchy in the winds.
Anyone with a Savage shooting 75gr Amax, crank up that scope and go further. 1000yds is really a no brainer and going further out just needs ALOT of up.
Thanks for all those who have viewed this post and been supportive of this journey. It has been an absolute hoot, very educational and enlightening.
Going subsonic does not necessarily mean loosing accuracy. Some bullets make the transition, others don't. When you find a combo that does, you can shoot an extremely long ways.
Jerry
The link will get you to the video put together by Lionhill on the Summerland Shoot and my attempts at smacking a small rock at one mile.
Unfortunately, the image is not as clear as we would have liked so I will do a play by play.
The target rock was measured at 12" X 12" but because of the angle we view the rock (uphill), it presents a much shorter target. Plus with the incoming angle of the bullet, not sure how big a target the bullet actually 'saw'. No matter, the rock is sub MOA at 1730/1740yds which was ranged by several Swarovski laser rangefinders. 20 to 30yds short of the official mile but close enough for me.
In the first clip - 3 shots at a mile, you are looking for two small rocks in the lower left of the view next to a small stake with surveyors tape. I was trying to put the bullets between the rock and the stake to kick up dust. Worked ok but not as dusty as I would have liked.
As the title fades, look at the rock closes to the stake. The hit is a black flash a few inches from the right base of that rock. Time 1:12
The next shot drifts right just behind the stake at time 1:45
The final shot in this string lands a few inches from the first at the right base of the rock. Time 2:03.
The next clip actually has 6 shots but you can hear from the commentary, I saw the first hit off the rock by Lionhill didn't. As the clip starts look on the top of the target rock and you will just catch a flash of dust.
Then you can hear us talking about the shot. Optics from the Elite 4200 Tactical at 24X is pretty darn good - I could spot all my hits.
The first real visible hit is pretty much dead center although called low. Time 2:32 Nice round puff of dust. Those 80gr AMax are still hitting pretty well.
The next shot is dropped short by about 1ft and really visible. windage was good though compared to the previous shot. Time 2:46 This was due to not timing the flags properly and getting hit by a headwind gust. Doesn't take much.
The next shot is again on the rock just right of center. Time 3:02. Please note the shaking and gentle comments. That would be us being in the wake of a 50BMG. I think you can also hear the often commented words from the Alberta guys "where did it go?" or something like that
The next shot lands top right of the rock. Time 3:18
The final shot lands right on the last shot at time 3:32.
5 out of 6 six on a sub MOA sized rock at 1mile using a 223. I can live with that.
Watch the dust clouds. They go from blowing left to right, then right to left, then switching again. It was very twitchy up there and it took a while to figure out what the flags were telling me.
The flag next to the target rock really doesn't move and was not the flag I was paying most attention to. That flag was higher up and to the right of the target rocks - outside the camera's view. This one was showing the crosswinds, and headwinds rolling off the top of the hill. What happened here affected where my bullets landed. The others just lied!
Shooting to a mile with the 80gr Amax out of 223 is not only possible, can be done with a far amount of accuracy. Any gusty conditions makes this task very challenging. Sunday morning just happened to be almost dead calm at the base to almost the top of the hill. The bumpy air and crosswinds came from behind the hill rolling over the top.
Way too much fun.
After I stopped, Troutseeker and Lionhill took their turns at the helm but shot 75gr Amax out there. They both recorded hits on the same rock so this bullets is making the trip with almost equal performance - a bit more twitchy in the winds.
Anyone with a Savage shooting 75gr Amax, crank up that scope and go further. 1000yds is really a no brainer and going further out just needs ALOT of up.
Thanks for all those who have viewed this post and been supportive of this journey. It has been an absolute hoot, very educational and enlightening.
Going subsonic does not necessarily mean loosing accuracy. Some bullets make the transition, others don't. When you find a combo that does, you can shoot an extremely long ways.
Jerry
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Mystic Precision
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9000 VIEWS!!!!!
That's worth a bump to the top.
Let's see those new rifles guys. Or at least range report of all those Rem's, Sav's, and Tikkas reaching out beyond 300yds.
Jerry
That's worth a bump to the top.
Let's see those new rifles guys. Or at least range report of all those Rem's, Sav's, and Tikkas reaching out beyond 300yds.
Jerry
well this isnt as exciting as the one mile shots, but I have been experimenting at longer ranges this spring with my savage 270wsm. problem is the snow is making it hard to spot misses.
in this part of ontario there are places to shoot longer ranges, though not like in BC. here is where I have been shooting at 1160yards (1.06km) was doing pretty good one day, putting them in the 18inch circle, but the next day the wind was wacky and I was having more problems, especially not being able to see the misses
this is where I shoot inside of 1000yards, I have gongs at 450, 600, 800, and a rock at 920
in this part of ontario there are places to shoot longer ranges, though not like in BC. here is where I have been shooting at 1160yards (1.06km) was doing pretty good one day, putting them in the 18inch circle, but the next day the wind was wacky and I was having more problems, especially not being able to see the misses
this is where I shoot inside of 1000yards, I have gongs at 450, 600, 800, and a rock at 920
Mystic Precision
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redlaker1, congrats on a great looking spot. That is really all you need to experiment and learn. If you can, get a long stick and plant a flag by that rock. Guessing on winds 1km away gets frustrating in a hurry.
You can also use surveyors tape on branches of trees along the bullet flight path. I bet you will get switchy conditions that you didn't even know were there.
That flag and a wind meter will help you understand environmental cues. I am still learning but it is easier now then when I started years back. I guess right more often leading to more hits.
I bet in time, that paint circle will get smaller and smaller.
keep us in the loop on how your spring shooting goes.
nice paint job on the rifle and a sturdy looking bench. How has the tracking been on that Weaver?
Jerry
PS Ruthless, if you really want a go at extreme range shooting. Grab your 22lr and head out to 300 to 400yds. The sensation is very similar and equally challenging.
You can also use surveyors tape on branches of trees along the bullet flight path. I bet you will get switchy conditions that you didn't even know were there.
That flag and a wind meter will help you understand environmental cues. I am still learning but it is easier now then when I started years back. I guess right more often leading to more hits.
I bet in time, that paint circle will get smaller and smaller.
keep us in the loop on how your spring shooting goes.
nice paint job on the rifle and a sturdy looking bench. How has the tracking been on that Weaver?
Jerry
PS Ruthless, if you really want a go at extreme range shooting. Grab your 22lr and head out to 300 to 400yds. The sensation is very similar and equally challenging.
Jerry, I did put up some sticks with flagging tape, out at the rock, and one by where I am shooting from. it gives me a bit of an indication, but I am still not sure what the actual wind values are and if my ballistics chart is close.
the stock is a bell and carlson with the optional green paint and decelerator pad. the weaver seems to work alright, I put on a egw 20moa base a little while ago, and when dialing up 30 or so moa and playing with the windage then going back to my zero it seems to be right back on target. I think the scope has a slight tilt to it but I read about how to correct it at the range so I am going to give that a try to get the reticle level. the 36x is gives me a pretty good view, but I cant spot my hits most of the time because the recoil is just a bit too much to keep it straight
I am thinking the 135 smk that I am shooting is holding me back a bit at long range, so hopefully when I am ready for a new barrel I can go to something in 6mm, 6.5, or 7 to take advantage of the better bullets
its all a big learning experience, but its rewarding when you start connecting at longer ranges
the stock is a bell and carlson with the optional green paint and decelerator pad. the weaver seems to work alright, I put on a egw 20moa base a little while ago, and when dialing up 30 or so moa and playing with the windage then going back to my zero it seems to be right back on target. I think the scope has a slight tilt to it but I read about how to correct it at the range so I am going to give that a try to get the reticle level. the 36x is gives me a pretty good view, but I cant spot my hits most of the time because the recoil is just a bit too much to keep it straight
I am thinking the 135 smk that I am shooting is holding me back a bit at long range, so hopefully when I am ready for a new barrel I can go to something in 6mm, 6.5, or 7 to take advantage of the better bullets
its all a big learning experience, but its rewarding when you start connecting at longer ranges
guys, when you put the 20/30/whatever MOA bases on the scopes, what do you put into ballistics programs for "height above bore"? The height of the centre of the objective? Centre of the scope at the turret location?
I've just slipped a 20MOA EGW underneath my scope, and am at a loss for pre-range calculations.
I've just slipped a 20MOA EGW underneath my scope, and am at a loss for pre-range calculations.
Mystic Precision
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Berger is supposed to be bringing out some match 27cal bullets. Not sure if they are out. Would be worth a look.
The 150gr Hornady SST's will work very well for you. I shot it out of a 270 to 900yds and they flew very well. Should do even better in a WSM.
36X is pretty high for mag. Great for the target. Lousy for spotting. That is why I use a 24X. Gives me lots of field of view. A muzzle brake would be a good idea too.
Glad to hear the scope is tracking for you. There have been many positive comments on other boards.
For windage, I really like the mil dot reticle as hold off is quick and easy. Dialing takes too long in gusty conditions.
Learning how to dope is a never ending battle. A wind meter is a very good tool as is watching flags then seeing where your bullet ends up. That is why the reticle is so helpful.
You can quantify your misses and adjust easily with the reticle or turrents.
If you can't see your own impacts, have a spotter that understands how to spot, tell you where the bullets are landing. You must know where your bullets are landing under the conditions presented. That is really the only way to learn how to correct.
Using paper doesn't help because you will have no idea which bullet is which. Remote camera would also work.
More flags the better and keep a good set of notes on cause/effect. Overtime, you will see trends which will help you predict where to hold off.
As to setting up your scope, there is an article in my sig line that explains alot of your questions.
I don't bother changing the scope height when I make up my charts. They are rarely correct so I adj the chart under real world shooting. Read my article, it will be much clearer.
Jerry
The 150gr Hornady SST's will work very well for you. I shot it out of a 270 to 900yds and they flew very well. Should do even better in a WSM.
36X is pretty high for mag. Great for the target. Lousy for spotting. That is why I use a 24X. Gives me lots of field of view. A muzzle brake would be a good idea too.
Glad to hear the scope is tracking for you. There have been many positive comments on other boards.
For windage, I really like the mil dot reticle as hold off is quick and easy. Dialing takes too long in gusty conditions.
Learning how to dope is a never ending battle. A wind meter is a very good tool as is watching flags then seeing where your bullet ends up. That is why the reticle is so helpful.
You can quantify your misses and adjust easily with the reticle or turrents.
If you can't see your own impacts, have a spotter that understands how to spot, tell you where the bullets are landing. You must know where your bullets are landing under the conditions presented. That is really the only way to learn how to correct.
Using paper doesn't help because you will have no idea which bullet is which. Remote camera would also work.
More flags the better and keep a good set of notes on cause/effect. Overtime, you will see trends which will help you predict where to hold off.
As to setting up your scope, there is an article in my sig line that explains alot of your questions.
I don't bother changing the scope height when I make up my charts. They are rarely correct so I adj the chart under real world shooting. Read my article, it will be much clearer.
Jerry
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Got a quiet afternoon so headed up to have a look at the 'mile rock' to see if the 80gr Amax had left any marks.
I am happy to report that the impacts were clear on the granite boulder.
There were two clusters of hits. One in the center of the rock and one to the right. This agrees with the video footage. All shots hit right near the top so a few inches higher and they would have sailed over. Lucky
Each cluster was under 2". The clusters were C to C 7" apart with almost no difference in vertical.
I am thrilled that I have a group of sorts on that rock. Forgot my camera but will head up soon and take some pics. Hopefully, the marks will not dull too fast in the weather.
Those 80gr Amax are still landing with a fair bit of force. Wouldn't want to try and catch them for sure. Definitely terminal on a gopher.
Been a hoot guys and thanks for the 9500 views. Spring is here so let's see those rifles in action way out there.
Jerry
I am happy to report that the impacts were clear on the granite boulder.
There were two clusters of hits. One in the center of the rock and one to the right. This agrees with the video footage. All shots hit right near the top so a few inches higher and they would have sailed over. Lucky
Each cluster was under 2". The clusters were C to C 7" apart with almost no difference in vertical.
I am thrilled that I have a group of sorts on that rock. Forgot my camera but will head up soon and take some pics. Hopefully, the marks will not dull too fast in the weather.
Those 80gr Amax are still landing with a fair bit of force. Wouldn't want to try and catch them for sure. Definitely terminal on a gopher.
Been a hoot guys and thanks for the 9500 views. Spring is here so let's see those rifles in action way out there.
Jerry
