Shooting coyotes with .223 at long distance ?

Kilo Charlie said:
This is friggin' hilarious! We rant and rave about how anti-hunters put human characteristics on animals and then judge whether and how they should be killed. Then hunting hypocrites do exactly the same thing when it suits them.

I have zero problem with controlling wolves and coyotes where required, and even sport and fur hunting. But to suddenly and conveniently forget our hunting ethics and say they don't deserve a humane kill is just plain wrong. Ever see a deer drive her own fawn from food? Gee, that's cruel! Maybe we should punish them too!
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Isn't hunting ethics a great thing, especially from our local Hollier-Than-Thou contributors :rolleyes:
Probably the same guys that think it's ok to stick an arrow into a deer & watch it run off only to sit & wait for it to expire before they go check, just in case it gets up & runs off!
Or will shoot at a duck or goose & really honestly think every shot kills it instantly :rolleyes:
I'd suggest either you have very little real experience or you Kilo are nothing more than the "hunting hypocrites" you like to preach at!
I stand by my opinion on wolves or other vermin,
Nobody shoots to wound but 1st must you hit them then you worry about dispatching them!
 
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H4831 said:
Quoted--"X2 And when they get the deer down & the pack gathers they can clean a deer in 30 minutes.All you will find when there done is some bone & lots of blood on the ice and snow."DAN>>>
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And Dan, the same remains are left from a moose kill on the ice. Just splinters of bone and red tinged black hair.
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I saw that happen last year too - coyotes chased a small doe out onto the ice, and the deer couldn't get a purchase on the ice to get away. It wasn't pretty. Only thing left was a piece of one foreleg.

I would have been shooting, but our lake is quite populated, so that's a no-go.
 
I'll admit to my judgement being a bit harsh. The way I see it, if you shoot at a wolf or coyote at a range where you cannot guarantee a kill shot with reasonable certainty, that animal can run off and die an agonizing death, and I think that is 100% wrong. To gophers and groundhogs, I will in fact do that, although when shooting a centrefire rifle, the odds of a non-lethal wound on small vermin is hugely reduced. If you hit them at all, the shot will almost certainly be quickly lethal. Maybe that does make me a hypocrite. But I'll stand by what I said, just as you do. Fair enough.
 
Fair enough!

If you hit them at all, the shot will almost certainly be quickly lethal

An Almost certainly lethal on gopfers & groundhogs in my opinion is no better or worse than a "the shot will almost certainly be quickly lethal" shot on wolves!
 
As a rancher I find it pretty funny that city dwellers are on here bashing us about wanting everything dead-were the ones that actually leave some habitat so that there are still any animals left to hunt-there aren';t too many fawns born in parking lots. I don't have a real big outfit but we have bear,yotes,deer,moose and the odd wolf and elk travelling through. Have I lost calves to predators-of course-would I gutshoot one and pat myself onthe back about it-not a chance. We don't even poison out our gophers-it's kind of cool to see a couple yotes out gopher hunting in the same pasture that a couple hundred cows are calving in. The way major carnivores kill isn't pretty but they are just animals surviving-they aren't vindictive that's a trait we humans have a monopoly on.
 
Northern Rancher said:
The way major carnivores kill isn't pretty but they are just animals surviving-they aren't vindictive that's a trait we humans have a monopoly on.
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Great line. I personally would love to go on a serious predator hunt, but have to question when I hear hunters saying there's too many ground squirrels after spending the previous winter erradicating coyotes. I would hope predators would be managed like any other wildlife resource.

In the very Hunting, Shooting and Preservation assc. I' am a member of, I've heard senior members openly blurt out their hatred for wolves. I don't get it? Seems pretty hypocritical to me.
 
Northern Rancher said:
The way major carnivores kill isn't pretty but they are just animals surviving-they aren't vindictive that's a trait we humans have a monopoly on.
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Be nice if it was that way but I have seen hundreds of deer carcasses some with as little as a few lbs chewed of the ass, wolves do not kill just to survive, that's a phalicy tree huggers would have you believe!
 
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Hundreds of carcasses-I see hyperbole is another trait we humans have cornered too. I've ranched,hunted and guided among big wolf and wild game populations my entire life-most kills don't have enough left to make thin soup out of.
 
hyperbole, a figure of speech in which exceptional exaggeration is deliberately used for emphasis rather than deception.

Yes, lots of carcuses are eaten clean to the skin when they are hungry, but lots are left with little meat eaten off it. Whether you believe it or not I don't care but it's a fact Wolves kill when opportunity presents not always just when their hungry!

I will correct myself in what I had meant to say in previous post.
hundreds of deer carcasses some with as little as a few lbs chewed of the ass

As for the implied insult...it does not make you appear smarter just a Smart-Ass!
 
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mackillan said:
Why not a humane shot? They arent enemy soldiers.
Cinch said:
Try telling that to the rancher who's losing cattle...

Just like coyotes, the only good wolf in cattle country is a dead wolf/coyote
mackillan said:
wolf/coyoteRanchers and farmers often would like all deer and geese irradicated. More money to spend in arizona in the winter and sitting in a coffee shop lol. Wolves are not the enemy lol. At one time no wolves existed in the lower 48 because all sorts of types wanted to be buffalo bill or kit carson.
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I'm certainly not advocating unnecessary suffering but the financial costs to producers from crop/livestock depredation can be quite significant and goes a long way to explaining the attitudes of many ranchers/farmers. It's not just the cost of the 100-400 bushels of barley a flock of +10K snowgeese can consume on a sunny fall day but it is also the cost of the entire field of barley be downgraded from malting to feed barley because there's too much goose s**t in it (+/- $10K). Similarly a small herd of elk/deer feeding on a stack of bales can only consume a "relatively" small amount but often rips the net wrap off or pisses on the remaining bales so that there is no resale value or cattle will not eat the soiled bales (+/-$5K). Or more commonly when a shed antler goes through your haybine or ruins a drive tire and puts you back a day (+$1K) or a calf is lost to coyotes/wolves ($500 normally $800). So why then when producers are forced to absorb these costs into their operation with little or no compensation does it come as a surprise to some the many ranchers/farmers have adopted King Ralph's 3 S's?
 
Say what you mean Senior then-didn't your Dad tell you it's not polite to call people names.As for sheds in tires-they can be a pain but there's enough shed vultures in our country to keep most fields picked pretty clean-good money in it if you don't mind walking.
 
How about Nosler 69gr HPBT match bullets? Anyone here know about killing power of these? My Tikka .223 1 in 8" twist loves them. Haven't shot anything but muskrats with them yet.
 
I completely agree with H4831 & Senior I shoot at every coyote/wolf I feel I have a good chance at hitting.

If wind conditions are favorable I limit my shots on coyotes to 300 yards when shooting a 223 with 40gr V-Max, 450/500 yards with a 22-250 and 55gr Ballistic Tips and 600/700 yards with my 6mm-284 and 70gr Ballistic Tips...

I've been in Alberta for the last couple of weeks and will be here for another 2 I only brought my 223 sure wish I had the other 2 rifles along for the longer range shots.
 
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