Shooting long range with 7.62x39

If you can't hit the target twice in a row, it's an accident. Lobbing a chunk of metal at something until you hit it isn't accuracy, it's luck. Still fun though.:)
I see an epic youtube video out of this. Bring a lot of ammo and room on your video camera.
 
lejarretnoir said:
The problem with those low BC bullets coupled with low velocity is the bullet will go subsonic [below 1,200fps] probably before 600yds, but I don't have my ballistics calculator out. The bullet will yaw and tumble and will end up anywhere between here and the moon. The luck factor really weighs heavy whether those bullets will plop anywhere near the target @ 1 mile.

It would be fun trying though and would be an interesting article for us to read. How you got a bullseye with an SKS @ 1 mile. ;)
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mighit only cost 200$ (1100 rounds ) to get too :D
 
saskcop said:
Hey, it sounds like it would be fun to try. I don't think anyone would use it in a compitition, but everyone of us would try it over a bet or something. Let us know how you make out.
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i think it would be a blast wish we had the yardage around here sks ammo is cheap and being accurate has alot to do with trigger time .. im always pickin away at clay trap targets at 200 with the .22lr it aint luck any more . just got a sks a while back and 200m is fairly simple with it now too .
 
Don't expect too much from that bullet. We have a large shallow slough as well as 2 full quarters of cultivated black dirt when the gophers are out. You can see where your bullets are dropping. You gotta aim pretty high to drop them at 700 or 800 meters, never mind 1600 meters. You might find it interesting to see where a few rounds fall, but any more than that is a complete waste of ammo.
 
We have a shooter in the CSRA that regularly shoots a CZ858 with irons in service rifle matches out to 500m.
I think his best score to date on a 500m deliberate is 34-2v.
 
You are gonna run into a few problems at extreme long range.

1. Splash or lack thereof. In order to get onto a target, any target at extreme long range you need to be able to spot your misses and correct. The little 123gr bullet will only be traveling at 600 fps at a mile and will likely not produce a dust signature big enough to spot. If you cant spot the splash, you can't correct and there is no possibility of hitting anything but grass.

2. Flight Stability. The 123gr bullet is going to cross the sonic barrier at roughly 550 yds. That leaves it with another 1200 yds to travel to the target. If it experiences any buffeting or instability crossing the sonic barrier it will become a leaf blowing in the breeze and will become totally unpredictable in its flight pattern.

3. Sight elevation: Running the numbers through a ballistic computer, the typical 123gr 7.62x39 bullet will drop 226 MOA at 1760yds from a 200 yd zero. There is no scope or optic on the planet that I am aware of which incorporates enough elevation to compensate.

#'s 2 and 3 are the most serious issues and each on its own likely means this particular feat cannot be accomplished. Combined they definately make this idea a non-starter.
 
get a savage , rebarrel with a shilen 14 twist .308 barrel chambered in 7.62x39 and load some lapua 7.62x39 brass with hornady 110 vmax's, that should eliminate the variables associated with junk milsurp ammo and if you get a 25 minute base along with a set of of burris sig zees you can preload enough elavation that reaching a mile might be possible if the bullet is stays stable
 
get a savage , rebarrel with a shilen 14 twist .308 barrel chambered in 7.62x39 and load some lapua 7.62x39 brass with hornady 110 vmax's, that should eliminate the variables associated with junk milsurp ammo and if you get a 25 minute base along with a set of of burris sig zees you can preload enough elavation that reaching a mile might be possible if the bullet is stays stable
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My old high school teacher used to say, "Get off the drugs dammit!"

I'm not ever sure where to start with your post. Except to say, "GET OFF THE DRUGS!!!!!" :(
 
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Snow man I am going to build on a Lee Enfield C#7 action a 7.62x39 heavy barreled single shot, I picked up in trade years ago a Valmet heavy heavy target barrel in 7.62x54, I will cut off the chamber and still have 25" barrel to play with! I wish I could by a proper bolt head and clip conversion out of the states, but they won't sell to use terrorsits! I was thinking of long rage capability with surplus ammo and hand loads! To me having fun is more important than the end game,cheers dale Z!
 
You can always drive up half ways to the target on an ATV, pick it up and fire it again the rest of the way to the target.:p



I remember an old hunter telling a guy that, who was bragging about the long range kill he had made with his iron sighted, .30-30WIN 94, aiming 20 storeys(i'm exaggerating that part) over the Deer! And it got a good round of laughter from all present. LOL.:dancingbanana:
 
The Saddam era Iraqi Army had a "Tabuk" sniper rifle in 7.62 x 39. I haven't seen one, but it sounds like they just scoped an AK and put a longer barrel on it.

Due to lousy ballistics of this round, it's not a sniper rifle by Western standards. Maybe they were to be used as DMR type rifles out to 300-400 m maximum. I don't know....but would the round even have enough "oomph" to penetrate even the lightest body armour at that range?

Using that round would be cheap, but after 300m you're just throwing your $$$ away in my opinion.
 
I hope you have a good spotter and lots and lots of bullets!!
A dirt field would be good so you can see impacts, then walk it out to the target.
 
Old thread I know, but I was shooting a 10 inch gong at about 450 yards, no problem to hit it with a 2-7 scope on a CZ 527. The 7.62x39 definitely impacted it with more oomph than the .223 I was shooting as well. I think out to 400 yards this round is just as easy to shoot and hit things as a .223
 
Suputin said:
There is no scope or optic on the planet that I am aware of which incorporates enough elevation to compensate.
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You can shim it. With a BC of 0.25 you will be transonic around 550, yes, with a BC of 0.5 transonic 1000 yards. So fancy bullets could take you out to reasonable distances with fancy handloads and a good rifle. So you can certainly push it out a bit.

You can also just call 100 yards 200 yards, and enjoy long range wind doping at half the range.
 
Glock-a-maniac said:
In preperationg for shooting longer distances with the CZ, I've taken the liberty of pulling about 50rds to weigh the consistency of powder using my AcuLab scale and I'm impressed with how accurate the bulk ammo is.
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I've never put them across a crony, but some even sound different then others.

beltfed said:
We have a shooter in the CSRA that regularly shoots a CZ858 with irons in service rifle matches out to 500m.
I think his best score to date on a 500m deliberate is 34-2v.
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For those that don't know NSCC scoring, here is a chart/diagram. 10 shots are scored.
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That isn't Exocet's best BTW. Last match, he levelled 41-3v on the 500m deliberate with an 858. With a PSOP though.
 
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