Shooting SIGs in IPSC

relliott said:
Sigs are very well made and accurate, but the bore axis on them is quite a bit higher than on some of the other designs you typically see in the top strata of IPSC competition. A higher bore axis translates to more muzzle flip, and that means more time on the clock from shot to shot. I used to own a 226 and loved it. The thing was a tack driver, but if I was looking for a gun to race in Production Division with it would have to be something with a lower bore axis.
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Agreed. The combination of the rigid frame and the muzzle flip aggravated the arthritis in my right wrist. Also, it was too bulky and heavy to carry CC (in the US). The Glock is light. The 1911 is thin. Either is a better choice for summertime carry than the Sig.

I've since moved to the lower bore axis, lighter weight, easier maintenance and forgiving recoil of a Glock 17 and 22. Since then, my wrist has healed.

If I could find "dot-on-the-i" sights for the Glock, it would be perfect for both competition and CC.
 
I really like shooting my Sig 226 in production. I simply bought it because it fit my hand the best of all the types I tried. I know its a bit harder to shoot because of the higher bore axis and the longer trigger reset but it gets the job done. Its accurate and while I know I'm slow I have no hesitation at all about running a strategy that takes me to my last bullet because I know I'm accurate with it.

Interestingly I took the Manny Bragg workshop this year and he mentioned that the Sig is a difficult gun to shoot in IPSC. But that didn't stop him from doing a demo with my gun that was a million times better than what I could do with it. So as I see it, currently my Sig is not limiting my performance.
 
Fergus said:
Interestingly I took the Manny Bragg workshop this year and he mentioned that the Sig is a difficult gun to shoot in IPSC. But that didn't stop him from doing a demo with my gun that was a million times better than what I could do with it. So as I see it, currently my Sig is not limiting my performance.
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You're right - if you shoot 500+ rounds a day every day and your only job is to shoot, it doesn't limit your performance.
But if you are like the rest of us; mere mortals who work a job, only has so much time for practice, like to spend time with family and friends, etc. you're wrong.

Think about it this way - you and I are at the same driving skill level, you're sitting in your surplus cop car (226) at the lights and I pull up in my corvette (Stock II).
Guess who's going to win the drag race every time. ;)

Pros are horrible indicators of what guns will let us win.
 
Here are the stats from the 2008 IDPA championships. I tried to include the guns mentioned in this thread. If you want the brands broken down by model, or brands I didn't list, let me know. I listed the M&P as a separate brand because it was much more popular than the other Smiths.


Beretta 5

CZ 3

Glock 102

H&K 2

M&P 37

Sig 12

T'foglio 2


BTW, I'm not trying to slam Sig. I loved my P226--its build quality, appearance, accuracy, but it was nota healthy choice for my wrist. I didn't want to keep it as a safe queen. Now I have a G22 for carry and a G17 for the range and comp.
 
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To chime in late:

I shoot a 229 - 9mm in production.

Love the pistol, got it for the 'cool factor' - I can admit it !!!


I shoot very well with it (matter of opinion of course), but it's not a gun for IPSC.

I can shoot middle of the pack with it all day long, but I can't get to the top 10. That's 99% shooting ability, but on the same token, I'd expect my performance to increase with a more ergonomic pistol in my hands.

You need really big hands to get the most out of a 226 when time is a factor.

IPSC is mostly a head game - if you trust what you are using you will out perform the guy who doubts his equipment. Dont' give yourself reason to doubt your gear - buy stuff for IPSC with proper sights etc.

It sucks balls trying to aim with a brick for a front post !!!

If you are asking about a carry pistol ... I'd never let my 226 from my side.
 
got results from the last match I shot this new pistol in (HK P30-L)...won 2 stages,..close 2nd in another,...and basically tanked a field stage,...other stages I gave a mediocre display of what not to do. All in all,..this would be a good idpa and ipsc'ish production pistol. Very flat shooting,.smooth DA first shot,.but mag change quickness is not there,,..not without dedicating some time to it. Since speed of mag changes is not overly important in IDPA (as retention part seems to dictate speed in that you need to do it),..I think you could depend on it for that type of sport. I think it would make a great duty gun.
 
maurice said:
Since speed of mag changes is not overly important in IDPA (as retention part seems to dictate speed in that you need to do it),..I think you could depend on it for that type of sport.
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People who don't compete in IDPA should avoid 'pontificating' on how it's played, lest they show how ill informed they actually are.

Besides the 'Reload With Retention' and the 'Tactical Reload' (which both require that partial magazines be retained) there is another reload allowed in the current IDPA rule book. It is the 'Emergency' or 'slide-lock' reload. The empty magazine need not be retained in this type of reload. And of the three IDPA compliant reloads, it is the fastest (yes, speed is important in IDPA too!) and the reload of choice in most CsOF; everything else being equal.

Lastly, I participated in some IDPA training last June with Ernest Langdon (currently with S&W, formerly with SiGARMS and Beretta before that) and he demonstrated a 'Reload With Retention' with a stock S&W M&P 9 Pro (while wearing a concealement garment!) that would put the above average Canadian IPSC shooter's 'speed reload' to shame...

(Ernest has won several IDPA National Championship titles including Custom Defensive Pistol division using a stock SiG P220 to beat out tricked out 1911s)
 
It is always the archer not the arrow. As Sean Hanson said not long ago chosing a gun based upon what the pros use is not the best way about chosing equipment. Find a gun that fits your hand and one that you shoot well and go have some fun.

As Mass states the slidelock reload is the reload of choice, if at all possible, in IDPA.

Take Care

Bob
 
I was referring to us mere non sponsored mortals Mass..and the retention reload. I am comfortable with the term slidelock, I know what it is and end up using it too much in matches...:redface:

Pontification is big word,:p...like Jumbo jet and elephant s**t..LOL. Although I respect your point of view,..I will spew internet squawk on just about anything I care to...:dancingbanana:

one thing I did not like is that the slide release lever is almost like a thumb rest,...in that I ran dry and the slide did not lock back,..but that only happened once.
 
I picked up a Sig Pro 2022 in a "divorce liqiudation" not long ago and plan on trying it in both IPSC and IDPA next time I can actually get time off to come to a match!!
 
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