Shooting the Mover

[Ganderite]

Most of us usually shoot a lower score on the Mover, compared to the Deliberate or the Snap.

Being an experienced shooter, I have an idea as to how much ‘lead' is required at each distance. With a rifle shooting 2400 fps to 2900 fps, the lead (for me) is approximately:

100 yards – 1 inch.
200 yards – 8 inches
300 yards - 14 inches.

These numbers are according to my eye and my reflexes. You might need to use a different set of leads to make it work for you.

Technique. We know the target will pop up and then walk across the middle of our lane. So take aim in the center of the lane, and when you see the target coming, adjust the elevation so the horizontal cross hair is on the bull. Then, when the target walks to the right lead place, fire. This is called the ambush method, and is easy and accurate.

Sighting shots. As I said, “lead” is in the eye and finger of the beholder. We get one sighting shot in each direction. At 100, fire the sighters as the target bull crosses the vertical cross hair. That is, shoot dead center. You won’t miss. The shot should hit behind the bull. Note how much, and that is your lead amount. Probably a very small amount.

I see a fair number of misses at 200 and 300. There is no reason to get a miss. If you fire a shot at the leading edge, you will get a hit. Probably a bit in front of the bull. That is, the leading edge is a bit too much lead.

On the sighter at 200 and 300, fire at the leading edge and note if the hit is in front of the bull or behind it. Take the same shot in both directions, and then decide if you need a bit more or less lead than the leading edge.

At the last match I was shooting a 30-30 at 100 yards. My ammo was plated lead bullets with a mild load, almost 1000 fps slower than usual. I knew I would need more lead, so I fired at the leading edge. That turned out to be about right, but all my shots were in the crotch…

 

[aric84]

Always enjoyed shooting the movers! Those holds are pretty much identical to my experience at those ranges. Get a bit more complicated when dealing with wind but that comes with experience.

 

[XRCD011]

Military engagement of a running target is to aim and fire continuously at a point in front of the mover and have it run into your stream or aim AT the running target and sweep the stream forward of it till the mover and a round try to occupy the same point of space and time (and this is done in SA not FA also BTW).

 

[AP]

Most of us usually shoot a lower score on the Mover, compared to the Deliberate or the Snap.

Being an experienced shooter, I have an idea as to how much ‘lead' is required at each distance. With a rifle shooting 2400 fps to 2900 fps, the lead (for me) is approximately:

100 yards – 1 inch.
200 yards – 8 inches
300 yards - 14 inches.

These numbers are according to my eye and my reflexes. You might need to use a different set of leads to make it work for you.

Technique. We know the target will pop up and then walk across the middle of our lane. So take aim in the center of the lane, and when you see the target coming, adjust the elevation so the horizontal cross hair is on the bull. Then, when the target walks to the right lead place, fire. This is called the ambush method, and is easy and accurate.

Sighting shots. As I said, “lead” is in the eye and finger of the beholder. We get one sighting shot in each direction. At 100, fire the sighters as the target bull crosses the vertical cross hair. That is, shoot dead center. You won’t miss. The shot should hit behind the bull. Note how much, and that is your lead amount. Probably a very small amount.

I see a fair number of misses at 200 and 300. There is no reason to get a miss. If you fire a shot at the leading edge, you will get a hit. Probably a bit in front of the bull. That is, the leading edge is a bit too much lead.

On the sighter at 200 and 300, fire at the leading edge and note if the hit is in front of the bull or behind it. Take the same shot in both directions, and then decide if you need a bit more or less lead than the leading edge.

At the last match I was shooting a 30-30 at 100 yards. My ammo was plated lead bullets with a mild load, almost 1000 fps slower than usual. I knew I would need more lead, so I fired at the leading edge. That turned out to be about right, but all my shots were in the crotch…

"“lead” is in the eye and finger of the beholder" ....excellent point. My personal 'lock time' also includes insufficient 'trigger' practice so that the less than optimum control I have means that I am spending different times on the squeeze which can cause a hurried/pulled shot when I get nervous that its taking too long ... this isnt as big a problem on 'deliberate' targets as the target is rushing away on me. Even 'snap' allows a more relaxed approach.

 

[diopter]

Remember shooting in the Farquharson shoot(named after George “Farky” Farquharson) in the early nineties before Sig Stg90 was made out to be the spawn of the devil by the Liberals.
It was a meet for PQRA and Canadian Military Bisley Teams tryouts at Base St.Bruno. Swiss club was invited to participate.
Format/course of fire was the pretty much the same.
Leads with the 5.56 were not as great.
Some poor soldier let his C7 go full auto.
I think I came in with one of top score in the movers. 45/50.

 

[bearhunter]

You lucky folks have great ranges available to you. Nothing close to that around here.

The only moving targets we get are on the trap range, which because of my shoulder I haven't been able to do for years.

A few of us do have a spot in the bush where we have a cable we string up with a clothesline pulley to hold the targets. We also attach a light line to the pulley so we can pull it back for reset without having to walk/clime a hundred yards or so for every reset. We have a couple of different locations that we shoot from for quartering shots, moving away shots and moving toward shots as well as a broadside moving past shot.

We also change the pitch of the line with a come along which tightens the line and takes the belly out of it. This can make some drastic changes in speed and elevation. It's a lot of fun once you get the hang of it and quite realistic when it comes to jump hunting White Tails. It's surprising how fast a deer walks, even when it looks like it's moseying along at a slack pace.

 

[Ganderite]

Remember shooting in the Farquharson shoot(named after George “Farky” Farquharson) in the early nineties before Sig Stg90 was made out to be the spawn of the devil by the Liberals.
It was a meet for PQRA and Canadian Military Bisley Teams tryouts at Base St.Bruno. Swiss club was invited to participate.
Format/course of fire was the pretty much the same.
Leads with the 5.56 were not as great.
Some poor soldier let his C7 go full auto.
I think I came in with one of top score in the movers. 45/50.

I used to shoot at Mt. Bruno with the MMRA (Montreal Military Rifle Ass'n) I use to sign a nice new FN C1 out for the year, to keep at home. The good old days.

When did the range close? The last I heard of it was the 300 meter shoot at the Olympics.

 

[diopter]

Rifle ranges were "condemned" quite some time ago, only pistol range available since then. Roughly 1998-2002.
Seems the mayor sister's, or some such relative, made a fuss about her cheap great deal property and house were downrange behind the butts (hear say of course

Swiss club was hurt badly by the Stg90 reclassification from long gun to restricted, and then the last straw to prohib, so we could not get the SQ to approve a federal range for shooting it there legally.
Then the Military decided to restrict use of longer distance rounds like the 7.5x55, doubly screwed. Likely to placate you know who.

 

[RifleDude]

My problem with shooting the mover while standing is not so much how to lead but how to hold the rifle steady. I'm lucky to be able to hold the aim within an 8" circle at 100y when standing. So leading by 1" in front of center is pretty well moot. I just aim at the center to the best of my ability while "trapping" the target.

 

[Ganderite]

My problem with shooting the mover while standing is not so much how to lead but how to hold the rifle steady. I'm lucky to be able to hold the aim within an 8" circle at 100y when standing. So leading by 1" in front of center is pretty well moot. I just aim at the center to the best of my ability while "trapping" the target.

I think that pretty well sums it up for all of us. Most of us consider a score in the 20s (out of 50) to be good enough. In looking at the score sheets, the Snap and Mover scores are similar, suggesting that the moving element does not make a lot of difference.

 

[diopter]

This works best for me, with an adjustment of keeping the butt stock on a medium bore rifle more against my shoulder for recoil. That's why fingers point forwards.