Short range thumper suggestions.

Johnn Peterson said:
Then ;) let the 'games' begin :) . I'll keep you updated on the efforts and results. Oh, point of interest. The present background picture on my computer is of a couple of gentlemen from this site, on a Caribou hunt :) .
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back to the bear meat subject and im pretty sure you know that already but just in case:

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/121101-Bear-and-Wild-Boar-Recipes

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1573911-Bear-filets

and last but not least:

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1574034-Slow-Cooked-Bear-Spareribs
 
Why not? said:
Johnn, we have discussed this a few times. :)

I need to bring you some of Phil and Emma's bear bourguignon. C'est magnifique!

Ted
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Yes, I recall that,:redface: and anticipating my Ladys probable 'reaction' was why I turned that initial offer down. But, what do I/we have to lose by trying?? Lets do it on one of your future visits :).
 
medvedqc said:
back to the bear meat subject and im pretty sure you know that already but just in case:

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/121101-Bear-and-Wild-Boar-Recipes

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1573911-Bear-filets

and last but not least:

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1574034-Slow-Cooked-Bear-Spareribs
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:)Thanks Phil. I'm in the middle of getting a new computer set-up and I'm waiting for my new printer. I'll print those out when it does:). Thanks again.
 
philthygeezer said:
Given that people run around the uplands with 26" shotguns all day, I think a 22" barrel is a nice compromise between OAL, balance and loudness.
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It's all about balance and handling. An upland gun and rifle are two different fruit.

I remember the 1st time I picked up a 20" 375H&H and was surprised at how well it handled. The bbl was heavy enough to still have some weight forward but the shorter bbl gave it better balance. 20" is as short as I like for a rifle.

FWIW ...... I prefer a 28" SxS for grouse and woodcock. :)
 
I didn’t read the whole thread. Did you get a rifle figured out ?
If not , take a look at the Zastava Commercial 98/M70 in 9.3x62 from tradex for $695. Add a couple boxes of Norma Alaska 286 grain ammunition to the order and you’re all set to thump the s**t outta anything that needs thumping.
 
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SuperCub said:
It's all about balance and handling. An upland gun and rifle are two different fruit.

I remember the 1st time I picked up a 20" 375H&H and was surprised at how well it handled. The bbl was heavy enough to still have some weight forward but the shorter bbl gave it better balance. 20" is as short as I like for a rifle.

FWIW ...... I prefer a 28" SxS for grouse and woodcock. :)
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Agree. This is why I like the Model 70 Featherweight: Points well yet still a little balance forward for steadiness. I guess I was thinking about how some figure they're going to catch on branches all the time with a 24" barrel. I don't think it works like that given grouse hunting with shotguns, and I also think that too short means you have to deal with way more sound pressure/muzzle blast. For me, the trade-off to a 16-20" carbine length barrel isn't worth it.

For offhand target shooting I prefer even heavier and longer, E.G. a 26" 0.92 inch diameter.

Shotguns I like 28"-30" O/U or 26" pump for uplands.
 
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philthygeezer said:
I also think that too short means you have to deal with way more sound pressure/muzzle blast. For me, the trade-off to a 16-20" carbine length barrel isn't worth it.
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Yup ..... I don't get the appeal for a 16" rifle at all. Blast would be something else and would handle like a baseball bat.

I have no trouble getting through the woods with a 22" rifle. The last couple I had done were 23" because I couldn't decide on 22 or 24". :)

I guess it all depends on how you want to use it.
 
oi how did the OP go with this?
another option is a Ruger 1 with a 24 barrel, so good in the bush and plenty flavours to choose from! especially emphasising on the thumper..
 
SuperCub said:
Yup ..... I don't get the appeal for a 16" rifle at all. Blast would be something else and would handle like a baseball bat.
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Can't agree on that for certain (most, but not all) applications... Such as for a thick brush rifle or when medium range shooting (under 300 yards) is anticipated or when you are just carrying for a back up while guiding. I can't speak for all stubby configurations, but the Ruger RSI's and Carbines @ 18.5" and the Frontier rifles at 16.5" hardly handle like a baseball... They are trim and wieldy, with the balance between your hands. To me they feel very stable. Their accuracy is on par with any of my 22" - 26" sporters, and they are lighter overall. The ergonomics are identical to other bolt action sporters. As far as "muzzle blast" goes, they are rifles and I can't discern the difference between a 16" rifle and a 22" rifle... at the range you wear hearing protection for everything, and in the bush it is no issue... I am seeing more and more hunters wearing some sort of hearing protection in the field these days, which is probably a good thing, but I am too old to change.

The question for me in most hunting scenarios is not "why?" But rather "why not?" Very little is scarificed, for a number of net gains. I arrived at this conclusion through attrition... I just seemed to be reaching for the carbines more and more when it was time to head afield. With that said, if I was a "one rifle" hunter it would probably be a 22" sporter... as an overall more diverse rig. If you are ever out this way, and want to do some shooting, we can head to the range with a few hundred rounds and you can give them a work out, and see if they hold any appeal.
 
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300Win Mag, 14 inch barrel. Not gonna lie, groupings vary a good bit based on loads and weight, but 60 rounds on a gong at 200yds shows this will do its job fine. At 100yds with the right loads I could nail a 4 inch gong repeatedly. The flash suppressor/brake and the heavy barrel make it just a little harder recoiling than a 308, but not bad at all. The plan was a lower profile red dot, which would make it a good brush/close in rifle.



 
Don't forget rifled shotgun barrels. I'm fond of 12G Hornady 300gr SST. Accurate out to 150-200yds.

Do not use with un-rifled Shotgun barrels. Recoil is really magnified.
 
Cbob said:
Here’s my dilemma. Bought and put together what I thought to be the perfect hunting rifle. Kimber mountain accent rechambered to 284 win with a Vx6hd 3-18 on top. Very nice and light to hike with but turns out where I had my best chances last year where I live I was always under 200 yards. More like 30-80y. So I’ve decided to start over. Here’s what I’m thinking. Short barrel as in 16-18”. With a brake. Light weight setup as well. Around 7lb with glass. 1-6 power scope. Caliber could be .308, 30-06, 338-06. 375? I handliad so open to anything. Fiberglass stock. Or similar. Any suggestions? Thanks
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The venrable .444Remington ...where you can eat right up to the hole.
RIP Ken Waters.
Rob
 
Why not? said:
Glad I'm not anywhere near it when it gets touched off. :)

Ted
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Not bad at all. The brake is an ATRS model, with no venting. It has more of a loud whump than a crack. Far, and I mean far from most of the obnoxious stuff thats ported or has a brake you meet at the range. By that comparison, also far less sharp that a 308 or a regular 300wm
 
Muzzle brakes only work because some of the exiting gas is redirected. That is what reduces the recoil.

If it is not vented in some direction other than the direction it is travelling when leaving the bore there will be no reduction in recoil. The thrust from the escaping gas that produces the recoil remains the same.

Perhaps the reduced recoil you are experiencing is because of the reduced velocity. I would have still expected a very loud report.

Ted
 
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