Shortest, lightest, pistol grip unit?

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Quick question for you shotgun experts. I need a pistol grip shotgun for work (Bear Gun) and I was hoping someone might know which one of the factory units is the most compact and lightest while still being 100% non restricted?

Thanks in advance for the responses.


Brenden
 
winchester, Mossberg and Remingtons with a pistol grip (only) will all be around 28" OAL give or take an inch. The weight will also be close (it will really depend on how many rounds are in the tube).

Your efforts are better spent trying the different models for ease of use, comfort and features you need/want (ie. marine finish for rust resistance, mag capacity, etc.).

I would take the Mossberg off the list just because of the location of the safety, it works great with a conventional stock, but is very difficult to use with any pistol grip.
 
i had a pistol grip only( defender) - uncomfortable as heck, and it bucks when you fire- bring it up to you're shoulder and it'll bust your nose- go with a FOLDING or conventional stock- that way you have teh OPTION of firing from the hip or from the shoulder- much better to go short/shorter barrel than pistol grip only
 
I find PGO shotguns are easy enough to shoot with buck or slugs at eye level without injury.

I don't really see the need however since you can easily get a much easier to shoot full stocked model with a short barrel that'll come in at the same {8.5"} or slightly longer {12.5"} overall length here in Canada.
 
Brenden, what you need is a short barreled shotgun with a conventional stock. If you do actually have to shoot at a bear, you want to be able to hit him where you intend to hit him, and if necessary, hit him again in the shortest amount of time possible. I think any repeating shotgun with a 14" to 20" barrel is suitable, provided it is reliable, and I prefer those with rifle sights. Despite popular opinion to the contrary, a ghost ring and post is faster to get on target than a bead on the end of a shotgun barrel. The gun should have a sling, you may want a side saddle on the gun and perhaps a flashlight mount.

You also need to practice with this thing before you are in the bush. You are concerned about shooting 25 yards and in. A bear that cannot touch you cannot hurt you, so any shooting you do is intended to stop the bear's forward mobility. Chest shots won't do it.
 
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sunray said:
A shotgun with no stock is the most useless thing on Earth.
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Yeah, less useful is not having a shotgun with or with out a pistol grip when needed. sorry sunray, six ,out.


Get a Hogue Shotgun stock with a shorter 12" length of pull, and a 12-14" barreled shotgun,learn to use it like has been posted,and most of all,when using short stock, DON"T rap your thumb over the back of the stock,lay it along the index finger, feels weird at first,but you'll get used to it.
 
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100% agreed that the full stock is better for shooting but for sheer compactness is the pistol grip not better? Remember that I already have a vest stuffed with ribbon and other work related items. How small can you get a gun with a stock on it? I've seen some short ones but the pistol grip look smaller.


Thanks for the replies guys. Much appreciated.

If someone has some pics of the micro-barrel stocked guns could they post them.

Thanks guys

Brenden
 
This one is pretty short with a full stock, 27 1/8".

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I'm not sure but maybe some one can correct me, a 12.5" grizzly with a Knoxx top folding stock should be just over 26" when folded, or maybe its the 14".
 
sunray said:
A shotgun with no stock is the most useless thing on Earth.
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Back to the sporting section with your Fudd opinions. I know you're not going to revisit this thread to see this (have you ever seen the billion refutations and debunkings, to your million posts?), but did you even look at the video posted in response to the last time you made the exact same post in this section (earlier this week :rolleyes:)? Guy fired off a magnum turkey load holding only the pistol grip, gun sure as heck didn't look useless (true he did have a stock on the gun, but he wasn't using it).

Pistol grip only shotguns, seem quite popular in this section of the forum. Obviously, there's a fair number around here, who DON'T feel they are useless. Ask CanAm how many hundred 870 pistol grips he's personally sold, and that's just one CANADIAN company! How many pistol grip only shotguns to you figure MOSS F'ING BERG has sold in just the past year alone!!!


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I feel much better now, been feeling pretty much like saying that for almost 3 years now.
 
The only problem I have with pistol grips is that they don't provide the same stable firing platform as a shoulder stock does.
 
brenden270 said:
100% agreed that the full stock is better for shooting but for sheer compactness is the pistol grip not better? Remember that I already have a vest stuffed with ribbon and other work related items. How small can you get a gun with a stock on it? I've seen some short ones but the pistol grip look smaller.


Thanks for the replies guys. Much appreciated.

If someone has some pics of the micro-barrel stocked guns could they post them.

Thanks guys

Brenden
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You could apply for an ATC, a big handgun is smaller, lighter, and easier to shoot than the smallest shotgun.

But back to the shotgun problem, a pistol grip pump shotgun has nearly the same bulk as a full stock shotgun, especially if you keep the gun in your hands. You cannot rest the butt on the ground while you attend to some chore. If you carry the pistol grip shotgun slung, it is more prone to catching branches as you move through the willows. You can shorten the LOP of a standard stock to minimize the overall length, without loosing the advantage of the full stock, provided you watch your thumb position so you don't bump your nose when the gun recoils. Most adults can manage a 13"-13.5" LOP comfortably, in my case 13.5" is almost optimal, and 14" tends to hand up on outer clothing, and I'm 6'3". Yet in a pinch I can manage my wife's .30/06 with it's 12" LOP.

Perhaps the carry system is where you need to put your attention rather than attempting to get the smallest, most difficult gun to shoot. Although its not here yet, I thought I would give the H&K team sling a try on my 590. Its on order from Specter through Wolverine Supplies; google Specter or H&K slings. This rig allows you to carry the gun at the ready in front of you, or behind your strong side hip, yet your hands are free to carry out your duties. It requires the installation a sling plate between the magazine cap and the barrel band on the front and at the rear between the stock and the receiver. I'm a FUDD at heart, but if a "tactical" product appears to work better than what is conventionally available, I'll give it a try.
 
Think Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd. Simple hunter type sg's vs high speed/low drag tactical types and the persona that goes with it.
 
600 Mohawk said:
remember he said "lightest", DA stuff is not light.
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a large part of the Grizzly vs 870 weight disparity is the factory DA buttstock. its really solidly built but it is twice as heavy as a comparable Hogue, Speedfeed, etc - especially one with a shorter LOP.
you can also replace the DA mag cap, which is also heavier, with an aluminum happy cap.
(keep in mind though that with a lighter buttstock your felt recoil will increase)


an 8.5" Grizzly with a short LOP Hogue stock will come in at just a hair over minimum OAL and still be fully functional, as opposed to a pistol grip that will limit your accuracy. if youre using this for wildlife defense, the flamethrower muzzle flash may be a good thing :)
 
manbearpig said:
a large part of the Grizzly vs 870 weight disparity is the factory DA buttstock. its really solidly built but it is twice as heavy as a comparable Hogue, Speedfeed, etc - especially one with a shorter LOP.
you can also replace the DA mag cap, which is also heavier, with an aluminum happy cap.
(keep in mind though that with a lighter buttstock your felt recoil will increase)


an 8.5" Grizzly with a short LOP Hogue stock will come in at just a hair over minimum OAL and still be fully functional, as opposed to a pistol grip that will limit your accuracy. if youre using this for wildlife defense, the flamethrower muzzle flash may be a good thing :)
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mbp, yes I agree but would add the fore-grip weighs a ton too!! Replace em both an the weight comes down a lot.

600
 
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