SHOT SHOW 2013 ZiP gun, from US Firearms

The ergonomics are horrendous. There is a spot for your index finger (obviously), middle finger and that's it. MY hand is not built at right angles, and although it is advertised as being ambidextrous, I wouldn't want shells hitting my index finger/thumb web.
How do you adjust its trajectory as an under slung AR attachment?
What merits are in a 4" barreled carbine you can only take to the range?
They have an interchangeable sight rail,Why not interchangeable palm swell to improve grip?
The fact that its being advertised as taking 25 round mags should be enough to keep it out of Canada.
Bet a ton of them are sold to teenagers that don't know crap about instinctive or deliberate shooting.....because they LOOk cool. Functionality is a distant second.
 
2strklvr said:
Not exactly. If for instance if Butler creek advertised thier 25 round mags as being for the Ruger Charger then they would be considered prohibited device's. Just like the OEM Ruger BX25 mags. Never underestimate the power's that be abilty to use nuance and free-handed interpretation of the law to forward thier agenda. I suspect that Ruger Charger's in themselve's aren't such a big concern. Where do you even buy one in Canada? How many have you ever seen at the range? And realistically isn't it just a fugly, factory chopped rimfire rifle? A small, cheap polymer pistol with a hundred time's more mass appeal than the Charger is a different story altogether. Tell me I'm wrong.
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You are wrong. The laws don't change simply because the RCMP feel like it. Magazines designed for the Ruger 10/22 rifle only will always have unlimited capacity until an act is passed in parliament.
 
2bad4u2 said:
Ok. You're wrong. Butler Creeks were designed and intended for Ruger 10/22's decades before the introduction of the Charger pistol. Regardless of what the packaging said, the mags were originally designed for a rifle they happen to fit a pistol. Same fuzzy logic the RCMP have been using all along.
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If you think for a minute that any magazine in excess of 10 rounds that marketed as fitting the Charger pistol would be allowed in Canada, then you are sorely mistaken.
ciphery said:
The fact that its being advertised as taking 25 round mags should be enough to keep it out of Canada.
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That has been my point all along. Thank-you.
cadgo said:
You are wrong. The laws don't change simply because the RCMP feel like it. Magazines designed for the Ruger 10/22 rifle only will always have unlimited capacity until an act is passed in parliament.
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I am not arguing that 10/22 mags will "alway's" be unlimited in capacity as you stated. However IMHO because this pistol has the potential to become a cheap and popular loophole to our pistol mag limit laws, I believe that rather than try to put the magazine genie back into the bottle like they did with the S&W MP15-22 (which would be near impossible with 10/22 mags), they will just find a reason to prohibit the pistol.
 
If you agree with ciphery then perhaps you can tell us why they allow any Glock 9mm pistol into Canada that can readily accept 33rd. G18 mags. Using your thought process, they should be banned as well but are not. Another example, and handgun that can accept double stack mags wouldn't be allowable either, however, they clearly are.
 
Blah blah blah. Wow, this place is really full of arguements lately. A thread can't go 20 posts without an ethics issue, tin foil hat comment, or law depate.

Neat idea, I hope they get it. I'll reserve judgement on how it feels or shoots until I shoot one. That cocking rod should be slightly reworked though.
 
At that price or anything close to that price I would buy one, two,..., maybe more depending on how the first couple shoot. Also, it would be neat to get all the accessories (carbine kit, etc.) as long as these are also competitively priced.
 
beagles#1 said:
At that price or anything close to that price I would buy one, two,..., maybe more depending on how the first couple shoot. Also, it would be neat to get all the accessories (carbine kit, etc.) as long as these are also competitively priced.
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^^ A decent, or any for that matter, .22LR bullpup that was NR in Canada would be a great seller also. That would be an instant top seller.
 
2bad4u2 said:
If you agree with ciphery then perhaps you can tell us why they allow any Glock 9mm pistol into Canada that can readily accept 33rd. G18 mags. Using your thought process, they should be banned as well but are not. Another example, and handgun that can accept double stack mags wouldn't be allowable either, however, they clearly are.
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I'd like to point out that the 33 rounders have to be pinned in order to be owned in Canada while the ruger mags don't have to be.
 
2strklvr said:
If you think for a minute that any magazine in excess of 10 rounds that marketed as fitting the Charger pistol would be allowed in Canada, then you are sorely mistaken.

That has been my point all along. Thank-you.

I am not arguing that 10/22 mags will "alway's" be unlimited in capacity as you stated. However IMHO because this pistol has the potential to become a cheap and popular loophole to our pistol mag limit laws, I believe that rather than try to put the magazine genie back into the bottle like they did with the S&W MP15-22 (which would be near impossible with 10/22 mags), they will just find a reason to prohibit the pistol.
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No. It is just a pistol. Did they prohibit the Ruger Charger!? Nope.
 
ciphery said:
The ergonomics are horrendous. There is a spot for your index finger (obviously), middle finger and that's it. MY hand is not built at right angles, and although it is advertised as being ambidextrous, I wouldn't want shells hitting my index finger/thumb web.
How do you adjust its trajectory as an under slung AR attachment?
What merits are in a 4" barreled carbine you can only take to the range?
They have an interchangeable sight rail,Why not interchangeable palm swell to improve grip?
The fact that its being advertised as taking 25 round mags should be enough to keep it out of Canada.
Bet a ton of them are sold to teenagers that don't know crap about instinctive or deliberate shooting.....because they LOOk cool. Functionality is a distant second.
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So that kept the HK 416-22 pistol out of Canada right? :rolleyes:
 
I'm not sure if anyone has thought of this (I didn't have time to read through all the posts), if not I hate to be a kill joy, but is there a possibility that the powers-that-be could class this as a "bullpup" pistol as the action seems to be behind the trigger?

Just a thought that crept in as I watched that neat little video on page 2 and saw the interior set-up.
But I want one as well.
 
thebutcher said:
I'm not sure if anyone has thought of this (I didn't have time to read through all the posts), if not I hate to be a kill joy, but is there a possibility that the powers-that-be could class this as a "bullpup" pistol as the action seems to be behind the trigger?

Just a thought that crept in as I watched that neat little video on page 2 and saw the interior set-up.
But I want one as well.
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So what if it is? Bullpup "stocks" are prohibited, not bullpup firearms.
 
The more I look at them the more I want one... It would be also nice to have a rifle version... Question, if they sold some of them about a short barrelled rifle ... And in Canada you mounted it on a rail "perminantly" on a non rest gun could that count to OAL and allow the creation of a combo gun... If this is possible I would be interested at a much higher price
 
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