Shotgun in your vehicle?
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For the person who lamented "too bad they don't make stainless pump shotguns", they did at one time. I have an older Mossberg M500A that is stainless, not electroless nickle plated. It came with a synthetic pistol grip from the factory, which I replaced with a synthetic pistol-grip stock. I bought it used but unfired. It was my very first firearm, and I currently pack it on my ATV in a cheap non-waterproof soft case because I don't have to worry about it getting wet (and it does). So look around, and you might find one. Sorry, it's not for sale.
I think it would be nice to have if you were traveling by car somewhere and were preparing for an emergency (animal attack, etc.)
Being broken down on the side of the road in wilderness country @ 3 am it'd be nice to know if a bear were to think I was tasty and attack me I'd show him I wasn't as easy to swipe as a pic-inic basket
Being broken down on the side of the road in wilderness country @ 3 am it'd be nice to know if a bear were to think I was tasty and attack me I'd show him I wasn't as easy to swipe as a pic-inic basket
I would think you can only store a gun in the car if you have a garage; so that the car and therefore the gun is still stored in your house/ place of residance. If you live in an appartmant and keep the gun in the car parked somewhere on the street than you're not storing the gun where you said you will in your PAL application.
with regard to the potential rust problem, go to your local 'House of Knives' get a tube of Flitz metal polish - incredible stuff, use it on the shottie, or any other gun and put some in your tumbler media for your cases.Comes out of the tube as a cream, half an inch in your tumbler will last for thousands of rounds, and it'll make your guns look better too.
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http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/online-en_ligne/form-assistance/PDFs/921_e.pdf
Absolutely nothing in there as to where the firearm will be stored that I can find.
I think it would be nice to have if you were traveling by car somewhere and were preparing for an emergency (animal attack, etc.)
Being broken down on the side of the road in wilderness country @ 3 am it'd be nice to know if a bear were to think I was tasty and attack me I'd show him I wasn't as easy to swipe as a pic-inic basket
Never heard a much better raison-de-etre for a truck gun...good job!
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You have to remember couple of things
1) Social responsibility
If you spook someone with your shotgun in your car, you are being irresponsible and that will give them the right to take it away from you or worse
2) Having a gun in a car with a passenger
If you have a passenger and you step out for any reason and leave the passenger in your car. You have now left an unlicensed personal in possession of firearms. That means they could be charged with that if they got caught being your vehicle while you're not there.
There is no law that states you can't take your shot gun and hold it in your hands while on the way to the car. However there is the questions of social responsibility. In that case you aren't being socially responsible thus you'd be breaking the law.
The "social responsibility" is very vague and can easily be used in any way they want to.
Though driving with a firearm in the arm might seam cool and safe to you. I do recommend you ask yourself couple of questions
a) what are the chances of getting attacked by a predator? Do some research how many other people got attacked while leaving their cars in the past 5 years, or 50 years.
b) if you're being harassed by 2 legged predators, would you really want to have that resort available to you? You'd be too tempted to confront them rather then involving the authorities. Either way feeling threatened and worried and having a gun in your car could make you look like a nut.
Though we're all gun nuts, ask yourself. Do you like your gun license?
Oh jesus christ.......
I'm being harrased by "2 legged predators" in the middle of nowhere, and it may mean my life?? No question I'm going to "confront them" with my shotgun and say back the fawk off.. I'm not waiting for the local constabulatory to get there!!! Holy cow man.........
Damn straight I'd want "that resort available to me me" !!!!
If it isn't, I could be DEAD..........
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- East ontario
100% with you
fight for the right to stay alive.
law or no law ,if people do not like it to bad you have the right to stay alive.
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That's an interesting interpretation of the firearms act or criminal code. What section is that from? I personally don't carry a firearm most of the time since I go into the GTA and there aren't many coyotes to take potshots at. That being said, I may have a firearm in my vehicle on any given day because I sometimes forget to take them out after a range or hunting trip, or maybe I'm heading to the range at the end of the day. In that case, there's a gun in transport all day. I don't sweat it at all.
This is actually a valid concern. If you left an unsecured firearm in your trunk and you got out of the vehicle and they had the means to open the trunk then your passenger has unsupervised access to it. If you happened to catch the interest of a cop having a bad day, they could be charged. Easily circumvented by keeping a trigger lock on it I guess. If it's good enough to store a firearm in a house with an unlicensed individual then it should be good enough for a vehicle.
Again with the social responsibility. What section of the criminal code is that? Personally I wouldn't hesitate to walk from my house to the car with an uncased non-restricted firearm. Heck, I'd wave and shout hello to the neighbours as I went. They'd likely wish me good luck at the range (or a good hunt if I was in camo). I throw them in cases to prevent damage, but a great number of my neighbours are hunters and they know I target shoot and hunt. This is in Southern Ontario, so if I can get away with it, anyone outside of the GTA should have no problems.
Toronto, right?
My license or my life...hmm...
It only takes one time.
But, for the moment, never mind that. What are the chances of striking and injuring wildlife with your vehicle? What are the chances of your coming upon an injured - but not dead - wild animal? Do you feel any responsibility to limit unnecessary suffering of a wild animal? Do you, like me, feel like a #### while you wait, and wait, and wait, for a public officer to use a public firearm to do a job that you should have been prepared to do yourself?
You chose to use the word "harassed" and I wonder if you meant something like annoyed, bothered, or insulted, or whether you really meant in fear of death or grievous bodily harm. Someone who is annoyed, bothered, or insulted should not be "too tempted" to use force of any kind, much less lethal force. And, never mind just in your car, if you suspect yourself so irresponsible in your potential response to such stimuli, would you really want to have "that resort available to you" ANYWHERE? I think not. I hope not. On the other hand, if one is placed in a situation where he or she is in fear of either death or grievous bodily harm, and where he or she believes that it is reasonable and necessary to use force to prevent this death or grievous bodily harm, then I can say that, yes , I would really want to have that (force) resort available to me.
I really, really like my gun license. I avoid conflicts of any kind. If I can avoid a situation by simply withdrawing, I will. But...
What use would a gun license be to me if I were dead?
It only takes one time.
But, for the moment, never mind that. What are the chances of striking and injuring wildlife with your vehicle? What are the chances of your coming upon an injured - but not dead - wild animal? Do you feel any responsibility to limit unnecessary suffering of a wild animal? Do you, like me, feel like a #### while you wait, and wait, and wait, for a public officer to use a public firearm to do a job that you should have been prepared to do yourself?
You chose to use the word "harassed" and I wonder if you meant something like annoyed, bothered, or insulted, or whether you really meant in fear of death or grievous bodily harm. Someone who is annoyed, bothered, or insulted should not be "too tempted" to use force of any kind, much less lethal force. And, never mind just in your car, if you suspect yourself so irresponsible in your potential response to such stimuli, would you really want to have "that resort available to you" ANYWHERE? I think not. I hope not. On the other hand, if one is placed in a situation where he or she is in fear of either death or grievous bodily harm, and where he or she believes that it is reasonable and necessary to use force to prevent this death or grievous bodily harm, then I can say that, yes , I would really want to have that (force) resort available to me.
I really, really like my gun license. I avoid conflicts of any kind. If I can avoid a situation by simply withdrawing, I will. But...
What use would a gun license be to me if I were dead?
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Incredibly succinct and correct.
All the same (and I know this isn't a rimfire forum), I wouldn't want the newspapers to have a field day if someone used his/her hi-cap "blackp-ops" 10/22 for legitimate self-defence, or a heavily modded s-gun for that matter....
But, still, shoot the sucker if need be
.Certainly, if you're a lawyer, a ruthless cop who does his job by running after criminals and constantly pissing them off or maybe your job entails stepping on people who have the means and reasons to hurt you, than I can totally see the concern.
Otherwise if this is just in case scenario. Just in case I am on the way home from playing golf and I run into some gangsters who are going to take my money and kill me. Then think about it, is it just good old paranoia?
If you feel more secure with a gun in your car than go ahead. If you don't mind scaring someone as you carelessly show off your gun to someone and then have them call the police. And trust me when I say this if there's an anonymous call that comes in and it traces back to your house. Guess who is going to be answering a lot of unnecessary questions and I really do hope that you have everything in order. Again take my word for it, but you'd be in the back of the cruiser in no time.
Social responsibility is not some foreign object, it's something that everyone should be always concerned about. That applies to doing dangerous things and scaring civilians. Everyone has different sensitivity threshold. Some can handle it and some can't, if you scare some poor mother with 3 kids with your gun as you take it out of your trunk, than shame on you.
Remember, people in general are scared of guns and gun owners, be cool and let them be while enjoying your firearms. Otherwise don't scare them further and give them reasons to pursue retarded legislations.
I read an article about having auto-flush toilets removed in NYC because it frightened some children. Some grown-ups are scared of clowns, or dogs, or ethnic minorities. It would be retarded in the most degrading sense of the word to stop these things from being present because some poeple are scared. If the law is not broken, which it isn't in transporting an unloaded, unlocked, uncovered shotgun from house to car, then fukk it and piss on anyone who says otherwise. Society wherever you are from needs to harden the fukk up.
I won't even touch the whole "you're irritated and have a gun and will probably kill someone" bullshiit. Hemrroids get irritated and if you pull a gun because someone is pestering you, then I suppose you are a hemrroid.
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- Vancouver, BC
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- Kawartha Lakes
Its amazing what people will write about or disclose on this forum!!! How many cops are members I wonder??........ or how many monitor this site ?............Hmmmmmm?
