Should Crossbows be Allowed in Archery Only Season?

Should Crossbows be Included in Archery Only Season?

  • Yes, Bowhunter Only.

    Votes: 133 33.3%

  • No, Bowhunter Only

    Votes: 37 9.3%

  • Yes, Rifle Hunter Only (Including Muzzle Loaders and Shotguns)

    Votes: 48 12.0%

  • No, Rifle Hunter Only (Including Muzzle Loaders and Shotguns)

    Votes: 11 2.8%

  • Yes, Rifle & Bowhunter (Including Muzzle Loaders and Shotguns)

    Votes: 114 28.6%

  • No, Rifle & Bowhunter (Including Muzzle Loaders and Shotguns)

    Votes: 24 6.0%

  • Neutral

    Votes: 8 2.0%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 0.8%

  • Don't Care

    Votes: 21 5.3%
  • Total voters
    399
grinrgrn said:
This is an exerpt from the Quebec report: Expérimentation de la chasse au cerf de Virginie à l’arbalète dans la région de la Capitale-Nationale pour les saisons de chasse 2002 à 2004 par Héloïse Bastien
The report summarize the conclusions and recommendations generated from the experimental seasons that were introduced in 2002 - 2004 in zones 3 and 15.
The report speaks about concerns related to deer population management, as the introduction of crossbows into the bow season has essentially doubled the number of deer harvested during the bow season across Quebec. The significant increase in the harvest of antlerless deer was a phenomenon managers had not anticipated and have had to make adjustments (antlerless permits) to control this.
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Is the report available online and could you post a link of it?
 
Absolutely!!! we should support all forms of hunting. I think there is enough negative opinion against hunting without us jumping in.
I have both a crossbow and a Compound bow and the differance is minimal.
Let's open a new method of hunting in Alberta for those who wish to take up bow hunting but may not be comfortable with a compound bow. A crossbow still requires you to get close and be slient. For me bow hunting is more about the hunt then the shot!!!
 
crazy_davey said:
You doubt, and you suspect.

Again, I will say this:

If someone can show me some statistics from other areas where including crossbows in archery season had a negative effect overall(including game populations), please do. Until then, my opinion will stay the same...
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I don't know if the enclosed statistics are positive or negative about the inclusion of crossbows in archery season. That's something that you will have to determine on your own::)

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09193/983377-358.stm
 
hunt365 said:
Absolutely!!! we should support all forms of hunting. I think there is enough negative opinion against hunting without us jumping in.
I have both a crossbow and a Compound bow and the differance is minimal.
Let's open a new method of hunting in Alberta for those who wish to take up bow hunting but may not be comfortable with a compound bow. A crossbow still requires you to get close and be slient. For me bow hunting is more about the hunt then the shot!!!
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So, would you support fenced hunting? I see you are a SCI fan, they recognize fenced hunting.
 
hunt365 said:
Absolutely!!! we should support all forms of hunting. I think there is enough negative opinion against hunting without us jumping in.
I have both a crossbow and a Compound bow and the differance is minimal.
Let's open a new method of hunting in Alberta for those who wish to take up bow hunting but may not be comfortable with a compound bow. A crossbow still requires you to get close and be slient. For me bow hunting is more about the hunt then the shot!!!
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Crossbows are currently allowed in Alberta during the general season.
 
Rocks said:
Crossbows are currently allowed in Alberta during the general season.
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Just to clarify, they are currently allowed to be used during the general rifle season but not in the archery only season. The SRD survey is to find out if there's support from the hunting community to allow them to be used in the archery only season.:)
 
I honestly don't care about the use of crossbows. I do however dislike intensely poorly conceived plans executed without any regard for the lower level effects of that decision. You can go on and on about crossbows and how great they are but again, it could change a great deal about how we currently hunt. You don't change one part of a regulation without any regard for what that change does to the over system.

As I said before, if you worded this fine poll to...as a rifle hunter, would you accept a lower percentage of the harvest to allow crossbows into the archery season...you would get a completely different response. This is a very complex issue and this simple question does nothing to determine the correct response.

I plan for a living. This is not how you get input on a proposed change.
 
Morpheus32 said:
I honestly don't care about the use of crossbows. I do however dislike intensely poorly conceived plans executed without any regard for the lower level effects of that decision. You can go on and on about crossbows and how great they are but again, it could change a great deal about how we currently hunt. You don't change one part of a regulation without any regard for what that change does to the over system.

As I said before, if you worded this fine poll to...as a rifle hunter, would you accept a lower percentage of the harvest to allow crossbows into the archery season...you would get a completely different response. This is a very complex issue and this simple question does nothing to determine the correct response.

I plan for a living. This is not how you get input on a proposed change.
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That is way to rational Morpheus.

The data collected through the harvest survey is as full of holes as a piece of swiss.
 
HunterDave said:
You should let SDR and ABA that.:rolleyes:
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I did try to ask a few questions about the inclusion of this to the hunter survey, particularly who and how this is being initiated, why it is being collected and the proposed action items as a result of the data collection..

This is what I received as a response:





On Dec 22, 2010, Alberta Game Harvest Survey <ahsurvey@ca.ibm.com> wrote:

Hi,

It is true that the crossbow issue is quite controversial in some areas of the province.

The question was added to this year's survey to measure the level of the controversy.

I hope this explains why this question appeared in the survey.

Thanks
Web Survey Administration Team
Game Harvest Survey
ahsurvey@ca.ibm.com

I am sorry, this didn't answer a thing, and actually provides support to Morph's concerns about the process and issue. I wonder why they have not include other things as questions "to measure the level of controversy" :rolleyes:
 
I wear orange for the guys who aren't sure of their target and beyond-you can be the safest hunter in the world and be shot by a tool. I've had deer walk 10 feet from me while I was wearing blaze orange and not react-the rage to have the perfect camo is pretty much a waste of money-it does look cool though. As for xbows I have no problem with them in bow season-alot of people who start out with them will eventually end up switching to a bow if it's too easy. Alot of guys went from compounds to recurves for that reason.
 
Dave,

Your posting this stuff all over the internet on two website that I can find. I think for one, you might be very keen on the inclusion of crossbows particularly from reading all your posts. Lets be honest here. You have an agenda, so does AFGA, ABA, ATBA, APOS and at the end of the day, SRD. The point remains, what is the impact? Some say, nothing, SRD thinks there will be the requirement to change to draws, it is clear that something has to give. Currently the archery season gets 15% of the harvest and SRD reports that in most areas in the province due to increase in bowhunters, we are precariously near the 15% success figure. That means we don't need much to make a change necessary. The question is who gives, restriction of the archery season to limit success/harvest, the general season to compensate for the increase in success/hunters in the archery season, or a combination of both? If the argument is made strong enough, rifle hunters might also feel the crunch. It is all in how you word the question here. Non bow hunters might not be so keen if it means they loose hunting opportunity into the archery season.

My concern remains, this poll is useless and if anything is emotional based. Seeking public input into this decision based on a poorly worded question on the end season questionnaire is not the way to proceed.
 
I dont think rifle hunters will loose much in the way of tags.

I also dont think every hunter will go and buy a cross bow if it becomes legal.

I went from compound to x bow simply because of not being able to draw a bow, after several hours of sitting in below freezing weather, and freezing my back side.

Everything seems to go for a $#!t when youre half frozen, and a decent deer comes into range.

I think for the most part, xbow hunting will not recruit rifle hunters into the mix, and if it does, wouldnt they apply for less rifle tags and more archery tags and equate the demand for tags?.:)
 
7mmlefty said:
I dont think rifle hunters will loose much in the way of tags.

I also dont think every hunter will go and buy a cross bow if it becomes legal.

I went from compound to x bow simply because of not being able to draw a bow, after several hours of sitting in below freezing weather, and freezing my back side.

Everything seems to go for a $#!t when youre half frozen, and a decent deer comes into range.

I think for the most part, xbow hunting will not recruit rifle hunters into the mix, and if it does, wouldnt they apply for less rifle tags and more archery tags and equate the demand for tags?.:)
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Tags in Alberta are not separated by season only...they are either general or draws for that species. In the draw system, some are specific for bow only however.
 
If you allow crossbows in an area that hasn't had them, you might see a surge in use, for a year or two, but the idea wears thin quickly, when the newbie crossbow hunter realizes that to use his new toy, he needs more time off work, or he's confined to weekends. That, and late season hunts (very cold) are not the kind of thing the average gun hunting deer hunter is used to.
Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill. When I'm out with the bow, the woods are far from full of hunters, in fact I seldom see anyone at all.
 
It's interesting how a simple poll on if crossbows should be allowed or not has turned into the same old same old vertical bow elitism that this delicate topic always seems to bring up. I find it kind of funny though, because many who ##### and whine shoot compound bows with 70-80% let off, and fairly sophisticated sights, so they don't REALLY have to work all that hard once it's drawn. It's not a REAL bow now is it? While I wasn't around for it, many of the "Old Timers" I've talked with have talked about the introduction of wheeled bows to the sport, and how there was a ton of resistance from those who used traditional bows. It seems like what was old is new again. And before the flames begin, yes, I have hunted with all three, and for me, the real challenge isn't the shooting of whatever bow, it doesn't matter what you use if you practice with it enough, it is everything around the hunt. The scent and movement discipline, the scouting, setting up a decent stand or ground blind and putting your butt in it. That is where the work is. Any increase in hunters that results from the introduction of crossbows will be short lived when they realize how much harder the details of close range hunting are compared to hunting with long guns.
 
Morpheus32 said:
Dave,

Your posting this stuff all over the internet on two website that I can find. I think for one, you might be very keen on the inclusion of crossbows particularly from reading all your posts. Lets be honest here. You have an agenda, so does AFGA, ABA, ATBA, APOS and at the end of the day, SRD. The point remains, what is the impact? Some say, nothing, SRD thinks there will be the requirement to change to draws, it is clear that something has to give. Currently the archery season gets 15% of the harvest and SRD reports that in most areas in the province due to increase in bowhunters, we are precariously near the 15% success figure. That means we don't need much to make a change necessary. The question is who gives, restriction of the archery season to limit success/harvest, the general season to compensate for the increase in success/hunters in the archery season, or a combination of both? If the argument is made strong enough, rifle hunters might also feel the crunch. It is all in how you word the question here. Non bow hunters might not be so keen if it means they loose hunting opportunity into the archery season.

My concern remains, this poll is useless and if anything is emotional based. Seeking public input into this decision based on a poorly worded question on the end season questionnaire is not the way to proceed.
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Morpheus32 - Yes, there is one other poll that I posted on an Alberta Outdoorsman's forum specifically presented to hunters that are mostly from Alberta. My opinion on whether or not I personally think that crossbows should be included is not the issue here and I chose not to discuss it on this thread or the other thread with the similar poll on it. I am intent on remaining unbiased on both threads so that no one can accuse me of trying to sway anyone's vote one way or another.

There is a separate thread without a poll on the other site that is dedicated to discussing everything related to this topic. Since you already know where to find it, I would be happy to engage in a debate on the subject over there. If you have already read my posts on the other thread then you are well aware of my position on this topic.

If you feel that the question in this poll is poorly worded or is biased in any way, shape or form then PLEASE post your reasons. Otherwise, then perhaps the results are not supporting your own position and your statements are based solely on your own emotion.;)
 
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