blaxsun
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You need a Blue Force Gear Vickers sling. Everyone here will tell you so
Absolutely! This single addition turns your Norinco into a Tier-1 AR!
Seriously, though - it's an awesome sling.
Should I buy a NEA AR?
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Absolutely! This single addition turns your Norinco into a Tier-1 AR!
Seriously, though - it's an awesome sling.
We don't provide warranty work. We send it back to KAC. If we don't have the export paperwork, we can't send it back. Simple.
If you buy KAC from Calgary Shooting Centre, we will look after you if you need warranty work, as they are an authorized dealer.
If we sold Norcs the distributor would provide or facilitate the warranty work depending on what their agreement is.
Just like Glocks, which is one of the firearms we don't go direct for. If there is a problem we contact our distributor and they look after it.
Personally, at this point in time I would question this approach to NEA, why, because I don’t believe the problems we have seen in the past are representative to the current production.
For instance (as an example, a small complaint of mine that is almost irrelevant)… if I said the lower parts are a poor fit on an NEA, ie: the safety selector leaves track marks on the receiver and is rather loose… I would feel that is wrong because I would like to believe that the current production doesn’t use the same LPKs as the early guns. On the other hand, I don’t believe their ARs have suddenly gone up to KAC quality… so…
Where does this leave me, not wanting to use the older production as an example and not wanting to say, without seeing or hearing of such, it is better quality than what we have seen in the past?
All I can do is caution that the NEA may not be of the quality the OP is looking for…
easysauce, taking things personally? Opinions differ, this is my opinion, get over it...
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Speaking of warranties... I'm surprised that no one's mentioned that NEA now offers a transferable warranty for $25. It's comforting to know that CGN continues to operate as NEA's R&D department...
The original topic was "Should I buy a NEA AR?", so since when is offering an opposing view "derailing a thread"? As much as you want to deny it, the same old arguments continue to have merit - if only because we keep hearing of examples of product failures. Or was the misaligned gas tube/damaged gas key incident a few weeks ago all in my imagination?
I know, I know... it's from one of the first (or second, or third batches). Again. This was yet another example of one that "slipped through the cracks" or missed a recall. To their credit, I believe NEA did fix this - but that's not really the point now, is it?
Back to my original point: there's a difference between having and needing a warranty. I think TDC summed it up best:
With respect to NEAs selling out faster than they can be made, considering they're still filling pre-orders from last year that's not saying much... And let's not forget: every time an NEA earns its wings (gets sent back for warranty), someone on a dealer's pre-order list gets bumped down a slot.
The original topic was "Should I buy a NEA AR?", so since when is offering an opposing view "derailing a thread"? As much as you want to deny it, the same old arguments continue to have merit - if only because we keep hearing of examples of product failures. Or was the misaligned gas tube/damaged gas key incident a few weeks ago all in my imagination?
I know, I know... it's from one of the first (or second, or third batches). Again. This was yet another example of one that "slipped through the cracks" or missed a recall. To their credit, I believe NEA did fix this - but that's not really the point now, is it?
Back to my original point: there's a difference between having and needing a warranty. I think TDC summed it up best:
Hard to argue with that logic.
With respect to NEAs selling out faster than they can be made, considering they're still filling pre-orders from last year that's not saying much... And let's not forget: every time an NEA earns its wings (gets sent back for warranty), someone on a dealer's pre-order list gets bumped down a slot.
yes, you are the point of contact for the customer if they need warranty work done... the point im trying to make is the customer goes through YOU, not the manufacturer directly...
weather or not the work is done in house or not is moot,
if someone buys from an non authorized dealer, which Im sure includes many brick and mortar stores, they get no warranty,
so wrong dealer = no warranty, regardless of brand... thats my point...
one shot does good work and I hear good things, im not bashing your warranty, just pointing out that its not some blanket manufacturer supported thing... IE buy this manufacturers brand, get this warranty,
people HAVE to buy from you or one of your authorized dealers to get it... so a DD from you is covered, and a DD from a non authorized dealer or one without paper work is not, regardless of the manufacturer.
Sorry, I was going to leave but I have to ask... is there no such thing as authorized warranty repair centers in the firearms world? Because, if I have a problem with my car I don't take it to the factory, computer - no, tv - no, food - no, cellphone - no, fridge, washer, dryer, dishwasher, stove, no, no, no, no, no... actually I can't think of a single product right now that I would expect specifically the factory and no one else to take care of. If I have an issue I usually go back to the place I bought it, no?
That's because ITAR applies. We can't ship illegally (or grey market without paperwork) imported products back across the border.
If you purchase any product through an authorized dealer and follow the step correctly, the warranty applies. You buy a Rolex from the guy in the trench coat on the corner...............
There are and a few importers/distributors who have a gunsmith in house or contract it out, so they can provide warranty work in house.
We can't afford to keep a gunsmith employed with KAC, Ithaca or DD warranty work
And thats the thing, isn't it. You can never tell what you will get from NEA. Will it be a gun that works and looks presentable or is it a gun that looks like crap, and doesn't work. That kind of inconsistent delivery comes from just one thing; guys that don't care what goes out the door. Once you pay, they have you, you have no choice but to wait for them to fix it. If NEA wants to be taken seriously as a manufacturer after all the BS they have pulled they need a 100% money back guarantee, if the rifle is unsatisfactory for any reason for the first 30 days then NEA refunds your money. When they have to start paying for their screwups with cash money, there will be a marked increase in how much they care what goes out the door.
That's because ITAR applies. We can't ship illegally (or grey market without paperwork) imported products back across the border.
If you purchase any product through an authorized dealer and follow the step correctly, the warranty applies. You buy a Rolex from the guy in the trench coat on the corner...............
There are and a few importers/distributors who have a gunsmith in house or contract it out, so they can provide warranty work in house.
We can't afford to keep a gunsmith employed with KAC, Ithaca or DD warranty work
Maybe you should become an NEA warranty center, thats gotta be 60 to 80 hours per week for a gunsmith.
As I meantioned in another thread, I actually love these threads. Every time one pops up I sell a bunch more NEA's A 1/2 dozen more people either had a new 12.5" gun arrive last week or one arriving this week so I'm sure there will be alot more reviews on them.
Ryan
A 1/2 dozen more people either had a new 12.5" gun arrive last week or one arriving this week so I'm sure there will be alot more reviews on them. Ryan
As I meantioned in another thread, I actually love these threads. Every time one pops up I sell a bunch more NEA's
Ryan
So six guns go out and 4 come back because they don't work. Is that a good sales week?
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Maybe you should become an NEA warranty center, thats gotta be 60 to 80 hours per week for a gunsmith.
Yes, but it's a thankless job.
As I meantioned in another thread, I actually love these threads. Every time one pops up I sell a bunch more NEA's
There's nothing wrong with being the materialistic weasel.
It's one thing to compare the NEA and Norc, but the DD to NEA is a bit of a stretch... Honestly, save up a few dollars more and get the DD.
Runningfool
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You really know so little and make such large leaps in judgement that you are an embarrassment to the legitimate anti-NEA folk on this board!
When NEA pays for a warranty issue to be shipped back to them, pays someone to work on it, pays for the parts, and then pays to ship it back to the customer you don't think this costs them "cash money"???? What do you think they pay with, Monopoly money?
I don't know anyone at NEA, I've never met any of them, never even spoke with them on the phone but I would love it if you could go to their shop, meet the real people that work there, see the kind of challenges that they face (I know, I know, you are a top notch machinist and you do some very exacting work but I am guessing that they face different challenges than your shop does and vice versa), see the product that is coming out now, and then talk to them like you do here. And I suppose your reply to that will be something along the lines of, "You bet I would!" cause that's just what Internet tough-guys say in these kind of situations.
notsorichguy
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Bolded & underlined describes myself.....
I have 4 ARs, one is a NEA. If you look back in the forum you will see where I post about some problems I had with mine. Loose gas block, trigger pins walking (even after I staked them). Long story short there were QC issues with my NEA..... The gas block was an easy fix, just needed some loctite. The trigger pins on the other hand, not such an easy fix. The pin holes are a bit on the loose side. If I remove the hammer and trigger as well as the springs the pins will fall out of the pin holes when I turn the lower onto it's side.... When all of the bits are installed the pins will stay put for a while when there is spring tension on them. I finally ordered a set of anti-walk pins from ATRS (they had them in stock, whoo!) I still haven't installed them yet (I just recieved them on Monday). Just FYI, round count on the NEA is just over 1500. Other than having to push the trigger pins back in every 200 rnds or so it has been reliable.
I have owned an LMT MRP, S&W M&P-15, Nork CQ-A and a Stag. All but the Stag were purchased new. I now have an Armalite M15A4, NEA 7.5, S&W 15-22 and a franken gun I built off of a Dlask lower. To be completely honest I have less trouble with the AR I built, and thats saying something.... It was my first build! But the NEA 7.5" is more accurate that all of the other ARs currently in my stable. In defence of the Franken-gun I bought a used Nork barrel for $40..... It is on my list of things to change out....
Now in answer to Blaxsun's last question in bold. No it wouldn't. But thank baby Jesus I don't have to choose! Cause I guarentee that the answer would surprise most of the guys on this forum!
Cheers!
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I thought labour rates and components were pretty cheap in China, no?
(kidding, kidding!)
Appreciate the well thought-out reply, thanks. So out of curiosity (and so you don't continue to keep us in suspense), which would be the one you'd keep?
Runningfool
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I thought labour rates and components were pretty cheap in China, no?
(kidding, kidding!)
They are, it's just that shipping 2 out of every 3 rifles back and forth to China at least 4-5 times kills the bottom line!
An ar is an ar is an ar. You're not killing bad guys. Drop the 1000 bucks on ammo and trg instead. Then, when ur rifle has maxed its potential for ur über high skillsets, sell it and upgrade. My advice.
I really should listen to my own advice. I just wish there was a shoot house I could try the pdw in locally.
I really should listen to my own advice. I just wish there was a shoot house I could try the pdw in locally.
