Should the government take AR's of the restricted list for hunting?
- Thread starter Snake Eyez
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Being old enough to remember when it was no more difficult to buy a FA than a pistol, I disagree. At the time that FAs became prohibited/grandfathered, there had never been a crime of violence committed with a legal FA. I have no recollection of any reports of any accidents, either.
But maybe there are more idiots nowadays.....
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- Canuckistan
I will be buying a .308 XCR for Moose the week it comes out.
As it is now, I have a 6.8 XCR, and I will be using it for hunting this year. I don't see any practical difference between the 2. Yes, I'm aware of the differences in mechanical function, but in the end, both throw a bullet from a rifle as fast as you can pull the trigger.
This non-restricted/restricted/prohib crap is silly. Someone obviously had too much time on their hands....
(Notation: most will know this, but last time I said 6.8 XCR many thought I was speaking Remington... Robinson Arms is what I speak.)
Personally, I want to see the FN taken off the prohib list, and be usable for hunting.
Regarding the original question, yes we should be able to hunt with the AR. I can legally hunt coyotes with my AR-180B, why should the AR be different?
Regarding the original question, yes we should be able to hunt with the AR. I can legally hunt coyotes with my AR-180B, why should the AR be different?
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- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
People who hunt big game with small bores are doing so anyway from bolt action rifles. Both the .223 and .22-250 account for much of the meat in northern freezers; caribou, bear, and moose. Legalizing the ARs for general use won't change anything as those who don't approve of shooting big animals with small bores won't start, and those who choose to will continue to do so.
Small arms are small arms; rifles, pistols, and shotguns should all be available without restriction to the law abiding citizens who want them.
I have no internal quarrels stating that semi- ARs should not be restricted. I do have a different take on semi-autos used for hunting large game. Let me tell my little story.
Last fall I was out looking for a deer and I heard a bunch of shots in the distance and thought to my self - now there's some punk.
About an hour later a deer comes scrambling up the hill about 35 yards from me (I admit I didn't hear her approaching because I was sitting down at the base of a tree almost having a little nap in the dawn). She's staring right at me with her body pointing towards me and her head cocked to the side and I don't have a really good shot. All I can see is the front of her. She's standing perfectly still and I'm not sure if she's aware of me or not as there's a fair breeze and I'm not downwind and moving. She's definately spooked though.
As I click my safety off, her ears twitch and she lifts up her head and does the big sniff thing. I quickly shoulder my rifle and I take the shot and hit her just under the chin through her neck and she tumbles down, dead. It was a great shot - got my heart pounding like I haven't felt in a long time.
When I walk up to the deer, I notice there's a blood trail up the hill and all over her hindquarters. It's plainly obvious she's been shot in the leg and I remember the shots I was hearing and put two and two together. The rear quarter is all shot up and I'm a little upset because some idiot just wrecked my perfectly good tasty little doe.
About 30 minutes later, two guys walk up and notice me sitting there. One of them says "hey, you found it" and he's all excited because it's his son's first time out hunting. So I take my tag off the leg and ask them if they'd like the deer - which he does. It turns out both of them emptied their magazines shooting at this deer in a field about a quarter mile away from 200 yards and only hit her twice - in the leg and ass.
They never even offered me a quarter. So much for that tag.
That's why I'll never teach anyone to hunt large game with an autoloader. There's simply no advantage to hunting large game with one. They are more likely to jam, less accurate, and don't teach you to wait to make the first shot count. They teach a hunter that it's OK to miss because there's another round behind that one.
Last fall I was out looking for a deer and I heard a bunch of shots in the distance and thought to my self - now there's some punk.
About an hour later a deer comes scrambling up the hill about 35 yards from me (I admit I didn't hear her approaching because I was sitting down at the base of a tree almost having a little nap in the dawn). She's staring right at me with her body pointing towards me and her head cocked to the side and I don't have a really good shot. All I can see is the front of her. She's standing perfectly still and I'm not sure if she's aware of me or not as there's a fair breeze and I'm not downwind and moving. She's definately spooked though.
As I click my safety off, her ears twitch and she lifts up her head and does the big sniff thing. I quickly shoulder my rifle and I take the shot and hit her just under the chin through her neck and she tumbles down, dead. It was a great shot - got my heart pounding like I haven't felt in a long time.
When I walk up to the deer, I notice there's a blood trail up the hill and all over her hindquarters. It's plainly obvious she's been shot in the leg and I remember the shots I was hearing and put two and two together. The rear quarter is all shot up and I'm a little upset because some idiot just wrecked my perfectly good tasty little doe.
About 30 minutes later, two guys walk up and notice me sitting there. One of them says "hey, you found it" and he's all excited because it's his son's first time out hunting. So I take my tag off the leg and ask them if they'd like the deer - which he does. It turns out both of them emptied their magazines shooting at this deer in a field about a quarter mile away from 200 yards and only hit her twice - in the leg and ass.
They never even offered me a quarter. So much for that tag.
That's why I'll never teach anyone to hunt large game with an autoloader. There's simply no advantage to hunting large game with one. They are more likely to jam, less accurate, and don't teach you to wait to make the first shot count. They teach a hunter that it's OK to miss because there's another round behind that one.
dinsdale
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Just outside the Ottawa City Limits!
Nope, not at all. Technique was to blame and the guns were their crutches. If I hadn't shot that deer, it miight have gotten away. If they knew how to shoot, it wouln't have been a waste. Anyone who knows how to shoot knows you don't need an AR15 to hunt deer.
That's why I'll totally say it should be legal and confidently state it's just not in any way necessary or appropriate.
Maybe I should have clarified that it wasn't controlled firing.
I don't see anything fun about firing off 8 rounds in quick succession at an animal. What's the point? That kind of crap belongs at the range and has no place in real hunting. Maybe I'm missing the point, but I enjoy the hunting, way more than the shooting. The shooting is just a means to and end.
If you knew someone who had shot a deer and then continued firing into the carcass, would you say that "sounds like fun"? Or is that wastage?
dinsdale
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Just outside the Ottawa City Limits!
Ummm...this line is totally blames the gun.
Not necessary sure, but then neither is a gun or hunting at all for that matter.I'm a bow hunter but don't preach that all guns are bad and teach bad habits or are unethical. Good thing we don't base what people can and cannot do on whether it is "needed".As far as being appropriate, leave your moral judgment out of my decisions thank you.
Well I'm not interested in starting a debate. I really hope you don't think I was trying to "dictate your decisions" whatever that means (are you a teenager?). I learned to hunt and hunted for years with a single shot and so I have some bias.
You're right, we don't base what people can and cannot do on whether it is "needed" and that's why I voted "yes it should be legal." This is a public forum partly for the purposes of expressing opinions. If you want to regulate free speech, this really isn't the place. If you moved to China, you could get a nice cushy government job doing that and hunt panda bears with automatic rifles on the weekends. They also have great weather and white guys get all the chicks.
When you tell me to "leave my moral judgement out of your decisions," you are both:
a) trying to regulate what I can and cannot do and
b) implying that somehow you are forced to read and accept my personal opinion as your own.
Don't get defensive. It's not a personal attack. If you've been offended by what I said, I really don't care and can't help you with that. The end.
Well said!
