SHTF : Why AR's ?
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The AR.
Great for dropping hordes of starving, armed, viral-ridden trolls with bad aim hell bent on your destruction!!
Plus a fully tricked out AR with enough optics, rails and "flare" launchers to double as a ferry anchor will generally scare and intimidate your quarry into pooping the proverbial Sh!t into your air oscillating unit.
Great for dropping hordes of starving, armed, viral-ridden trolls with bad aim hell bent on your destruction!!
Plus a fully tricked out AR with enough optics, rails and "flare" launchers to double as a ferry anchor will generally scare and intimidate your quarry into pooping the proverbial Sh!t into your air oscillating unit.
Here is the article,
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I've read this and think it is worth reading. Obviously everyone is going to have their own ideas and preferences. Also, there are many potential SHTF scenarios that could happen. Preparing for each will be different. Reading about something like this is brings up good points that should at least be thought through.
I especially think the parts about shades of grey civil dissorder are worth considering. Sure there are possible scenarios where having full battle gear, even a tank, will only help get you respect, but look at what happened in New Orleans, weapons were confiscated and running around with "machine guns" is going to get you attention you don't want.
why indeed?- i've got a 20 inch ar , but i think i'd go to something else unless in shtf- namely a 308 for longrange and something in 223 BULLPUP that took ar mags ( like a tavor or an m17 bushmaster) for the close-up stuff- one of the first things in 223 i had the chance to handle/shoot was the bushmaster armpistol( which went prohib/destroy when we had to get rid of all our feathers/ lindas/whatever) which was a very smart little outfit-
Tiriaq,
Zombies, silliy, yes. Sorry guys. But lets just look at New Orleans when katrina happened, civilization crumbled. As TDC pointed out, the leo's dissapeared (as in went to be with there families) People were looting and taking pot shots at each other based solely on the fact that they were not going to get caught. If i was sitting on my rooftop waiting for a rescue chopper, i would rather be there with my 870 fully stoked, knowing i had a chance, rather than unarmed, hoping the rescue got here before the looters.
Zombies, silliy, yes. Sorry guys. But lets just look at New Orleans when katrina happened, civilization crumbled. As TDC pointed out, the leo's dissapeared (as in went to be with there families) People were looting and taking pot shots at each other based solely on the fact that they were not going to get caught. If i was sitting on my rooftop waiting for a rescue chopper, i would rather be there with my 870 fully stoked, knowing i had a chance, rather than unarmed, hoping the rescue got here before the looters.
In a Katrina type situation, having a firearm available could be useful - any firearm. Wouldn't need to be some tricked out mirror kommando special.
In a Katrina situation, there are other things that could be much more immediately useful than a firearm - drinking water comes to mind, as do food and prescription meds. A support group is another. In an emergency, a group of folks helping each other out can be priceless.
Another thought is that any emergency personnel including LEOs are not likely going to be able to differentiate immediately between armed rabble and an armed householder. In a martial law situation being seen with a firearm might be dangerous.
Incidentally, Mel Tappan, who was a survivalist guru, quite a few years back, was also a paraplegic.
In a Katrina situation, there are other things that could be much more immediately useful than a firearm - drinking water comes to mind, as do food and prescription meds. A support group is another. In an emergency, a group of folks helping each other out can be priceless.
Another thought is that any emergency personnel including LEOs are not likely going to be able to differentiate immediately between armed rabble and an armed householder. In a martial law situation being seen with a firearm might be dangerous.
Incidentally, Mel Tappan, who was a survivalist guru, quite a few years back, was also a paraplegic.
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the last thing you would have in a shtf sceneario is a 5 round mag- with most ar mags, or lots of other mags, they've been pinned or altered to take only 5 rounds to comply with stupid kimmie's law- one of the very first things would be to remove that alteration- my ar came with 2-5 round mags direct from colt for hunting, however, they were actually 20 rounders
Something else to consider - LE agencies in NO promptly began disarming survivors.
Do you really think that this would not happen in Canada? Facilitated by the Registry?
Do some research about a Cdn. document called the "Emergency Planning Order", and of course, the War Measures Act.
Drilling out rivets in AR magazines is pretty small potatos.
Do you really think that this would not happen in Canada? Facilitated by the Registry?
Do some research about a Cdn. document called the "Emergency Planning Order", and of course, the War Measures Act.
Drilling out rivets in AR magazines is pretty small potatos.
Lets clear of some misconceptions here.
1. When the need arises to carry a rifle/shotgun to defend yourself or your family. Who gives a f**k if its "restricted" or "concealed". The goal is self defense, not obeying the law. Presenting a hard target usually gets the point across. If not, then game on.Excellent point. BUT everyone that thinks that way should understand they will likely end up looking at the business end of guns in the hands of police or military that they encounter. I totally agree that in a prolonged survival event, you will be on your own. But realize that in a post disaster, shtf, whatever you call it situation..I doubt very much that you will get some form of government endorsement to run around with a AR with fat mags. Sure, I know, who cares right? Just remember that the police and in all likelihood the military will be out to do their job. And their job isn't going to be easy, as already pointed out, they have families at home to be concerned about. So don't think that a shtf scenario changes anything in their eyes. They still want to make it home at the end of their shift. You are a man/woman with a gun. Expect to be treated accordingly. Big boy rules.
The common thread among many people discussing shtf scenarios is bugging out. Then it evolves into running around with some form of shtf gun. While I can see there will be cases for people to get out of the area they are in, unless forced to, bug in and stay home. It is much easier to look after your loved ones in a 'controlled' environment. Too many threads on shtf always evolve into running in the streets openly with AR's and VZ', what have you. Stay the #### home and look after things there. The less people running around all over creation with guns, the SOONER order can be re-established. Isn't that what we really want, or do some of you thrive on the excuse to run fat mags in the streets? Give your head a shake.
I spend a good deal of my time ensuring my family is prepared for whatever kind of emergency my arise. I don't have a nuclear fallout shelter or anything. Sure that prepardness plan includes firearms and training to use them. But I don't relish the idea of having to openly engage threats in the street with my family in tow. Do you?
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