Sick and tired of K98k rifles being misrepresented on the EE.
- Thread starter CanadianAR
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Will grant you that on SOME requests. Sometimes one does not even know where to start researching. Also, with the wealth of knowledge here, why would someone spend and hour or 2 or more researching, when someone with knowledge can provide that information within minutes? Isn’t that one of the main reasons of boards like this? To exchange knowledge and information? If it isn’t, then do away with all the forums and just turn this into a buy and sell.
The ability to respond to for sale posts works on other large sites like Bladeforums.
I do remember it being amusing when we were allowed to do it on this site.
Coyote's idea of a forum for discussion of sale items is a good idea, merge it with the retailer chit chat forum.
I do remember it being amusing when we were allowed to do it on this site.
Coyote's idea of a forum for discussion of sale items is a good idea, merge it with the retailer chit chat forum.
OkayShooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Nova Scotia
Yes I understand, that education is the key and some people need guidance. But there is a recurring theme that they never learn and continue to just have others do it for them. I figured that out as an adult, coming out of a career and going back to college. Dealing with fresh out of Highschool kids. See someone dissemble a rifle many times, but then ask for a disassembly for another. They had the knowledge to figure out, how to on the others,. You hold the knowledge to figure out your answer.
The comment system was ok. It was generally used as it was intended. As CGN grew a lot of #### disturbers began to show up though. Other gun forums still work that way. I can't say I'd like to see it return myself but in the case of Milsurps it could be somewhat beneficial.
Everyones brain works differently. 3 people buy a lawnmower that needs some assembly. One person will not touch it till they've read the manual from cover to cover. The second guy won't touch the manual and will figure it out by fooling around with it. The third guy will go grab his neighbour who already has a lawnmower and ask him for help.
Nothing here is right or wrong, it's just different from you.
OkayShooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Nova Scotia
You get to know people as the time goes by. The ones I'm talking about it, are just lazy and expect others to do it for them. You will realize, based on the simplicity of the questions, and the amount. Then the way they reply.
Though I agree with much of what you’ve said in this thread this is one area I think we the CGN community have got it wrong.
We are all to willing to condemn someone for seeking advice on authenticity or value and then call them out for selling a fake or refurbished rifle as original after they have done an Internet search and come up with miss leading information posted by people lacking knowledge on the topic. I found that as a research tool the Internet can be lacklustre at best often producing vague or even conflicting information on a given topic. Vetting a military surplus rifles authenticity and value, especially in the Canadian market, can be almost impossible. As we all know you buy the book and by the rifle. The thing with that is many people come into possession of these rifles either through inheritance or trade and have no interest in keeping them. It doesn’t make economic sense for them to invest in a library of firearms texts to sell one rifle or pistol. Speaking for myself my library of Enfield publications would cost me into the thousands if I were to attempt to replace them today with many being out of print. Speaking for myself I would much rather see someone post a request for information and then share the link within their EE add back to that post where questions of authenticity and value have been answered.
Yes there will be those who would take it vantage of The situation but these people would be quickly outed by the community.
Just my two cents but I will say that if any of you Mauser guys are ever in search of Enfield information and I have something useful to contribute I’ll happily do so LOL
NavyShooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- XMU Local .303
Way back in the day, we tried to set up a group of EE specific Arbitrators - to deal with disputes. It fell apart quite badly. I will not go into details, but note the "XMU" in my title stands for "Ex Moderator Union".
Buying and selling here is buyer beware.
It's been said many times, buy the rifle, not the story.
It doesn't matter if the seller claims that the gun was owned by TE Lawrence himself, don't look at the tale, look at the gun. Winston Churchill had a Mauser C-96 in the Boer War when he rode there with the Cavalry...what's the likelihood that it was one of the 9mm ones? The rifle owned by Louis Riel during his rebellion - how could it have been a Lee Enfield #4? How could that #4(T) be correct with a Savage Receiver, and a No32 Mark 1 telescope? What do you mean this No.22 telescope is from a prototype Bren Gun mounting? How do you know this MG-08 was captured at Vimy Ridge?
Buy the gun, not the story.
I don't know diddly about Mausers, but had a number of them pass through my hands this year on the way to an auction - it made me realize that I don't know much about Mausers at all.
The prevalence recently of reproduction parts and equipment associated to military surplus arms is...distracting...from the honest buyers and sellers. I was in the US at OSHKOSH a couple of years ago and the military re-enactors had a display setup. It broke my heart to tell the guy at the British display that his #4(T) was a cobbled together Chinese repro scope, plus a Savage Enfield with a set of pads that were clearly NOT original, nor did they have the correct screws or staking marks...he'd spent quite a bit on it too. I felt bad.
I am...selective...about the rifles that I buy now. I'm past the days of needing to buy one of everything. I buy what I want, and am selective about it.
Don't be afraid to pass up a 'deal'...the EE isn't quite as bad as the used car section on Kijiji, but you have to know what you're about when you buy something.
NS
Buying and selling here is buyer beware.
It's been said many times, buy the rifle, not the story.
It doesn't matter if the seller claims that the gun was owned by TE Lawrence himself, don't look at the tale, look at the gun. Winston Churchill had a Mauser C-96 in the Boer War when he rode there with the Cavalry...what's the likelihood that it was one of the 9mm ones? The rifle owned by Louis Riel during his rebellion - how could it have been a Lee Enfield #4? How could that #4(T) be correct with a Savage Receiver, and a No32 Mark 1 telescope? What do you mean this No.22 telescope is from a prototype Bren Gun mounting? How do you know this MG-08 was captured at Vimy Ridge?
Buy the gun, not the story.
I don't know diddly about Mausers, but had a number of them pass through my hands this year on the way to an auction - it made me realize that I don't know much about Mausers at all.
The prevalence recently of reproduction parts and equipment associated to military surplus arms is...distracting...from the honest buyers and sellers. I was in the US at OSHKOSH a couple of years ago and the military re-enactors had a display setup. It broke my heart to tell the guy at the British display that his #4(T) was a cobbled together Chinese repro scope, plus a Savage Enfield with a set of pads that were clearly NOT original, nor did they have the correct screws or staking marks...he'd spent quite a bit on it too. I felt bad.
I am...selective...about the rifles that I buy now. I'm past the days of needing to buy one of everything. I buy what I want, and am selective about it.
Don't be afraid to pass up a 'deal'...the EE isn't quite as bad as the used car section on Kijiji, but you have to know what you're about when you buy something.
NS
I would think that the reason and purpose of any forum is a place for like minded people to share the love and knowledge of a given hobby or interest.
I would also think that asking questions of people who have knowledge and info is a form of research. I have asked questions here before and was told "google is your friend", that kind of answer doesn't help anyone. I have also seen people get ridiculed for asking "what's it worth". Some of the people who ridicule would not like to see a member sell on ebay where the pictures provide the answers and the bidders determine "what's it worth?" Can't have it both ways all of the time.
I am shocked at the prices asked for k98's on here now. People asking $1500 for a Russian Capture and Getting it!!! There seems to be very few dyed in the wool k98 collectors in Canada. Original specimens are very few and far between. But supply and demand is driving prices. Even in the US prices are creeping up for k98's where they are much more numerous. I wish I had kept several that I have owned. None all matching, original but far superior to some of the garbage being peddled out there now.
I agree posting comments to ads would go sideways. My main point is don’t trust most sellers. You need to do your own homework. Some of these dummies won’t believe the truth when quoted to them because they bought it as such and that’s what it must be so he can get his money back. Lol
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- Western Manitoba
Seems to be a "human nature" thing. Many posts asking for comparison / "what is best" and most answers seem based on "the one that I have is best" - presumably because that is the only one they are familiar with?? So it must be "best" because that is what they have? Kind of circular, but see that quite often...
