Sig Sauer P226 vs Glock 17
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Probably at the same place as for the Quote of CANSOF / UK SOF and their sigs...
Well, considering that SIG's known for contract batching QC - i.e. applying varying levels of QC depending on the purchaser - that's not especially surprising. Around 2007, I can remember a series of incident where they shipped guns without barrels, without grips, and I think in a couple of cases without top ends. Those guns weren't test fired, obviously. Is that the same 3-stage QC process that SIG WG followed? Of course not. Has it tanked the 226? No, the 226 is an extremely well-designed pistol, and it will withstand lots of stupidity and abuse. But whether some people here want to accept it or not, SIG has stopped doing its once-universal, incredibly strict QC process and on a large scale, yes, that will affect the reliability of the guns.
At any rate, the post 2005 QC issues at sig ARE well known...and lots of people have heard about it, even on here. What do you think this conversation is?
At any rate, the post 2005 QC issues at sig ARE well known...and lots of people have heard about it, even on here. What do you think this conversation is?
Sorry if I haven't been clear here - yes, I am specifically referring to US Sigs. That is why I said that I think a current production German 226 would likely be a better pistol than the classic German 226 with the stamped slide that so many people hunt for. You are able to get both the improved slide design with the integral breech block, not the pinned-in-place old style, and take advantage of SIG Germany's QC processes which I believe have remained in place.
Take this for what it's worth because I do not own a Glock.
My first pistol was a Sig 226 picked up in 2008. It has been shot lots and has never experienced a failure of any kind.......of any kind! The trigger in SA is the excellent, DA requires a bit of practice.
My other pistols were all 1911 design. I never noticed until last month that the grip angles are all the same and therefore all of these including my 226 have the same sight acquisition position when raised. The reason that I noticed the difference is that I picked up a new SR9 and every time I lifted the gun to the target the rear sight was at the bottom of the front post. I would think the Glock has a similar angle as the SR9 and therefore might make your future gun purchase decisions for you as your learned lift will be different.
Anyway, the P226 will not be leaving my possession any time soon as it is my most tried and trusted pistol.
My first pistol was a Sig 226 picked up in 2008. It has been shot lots and has never experienced a failure of any kind.......of any kind! The trigger in SA is the excellent, DA requires a bit of practice.
My other pistols were all 1911 design. I never noticed until last month that the grip angles are all the same and therefore all of these including my 226 have the same sight acquisition position when raised. The reason that I noticed the difference is that I picked up a new SR9 and every time I lifted the gun to the target the rear sight was at the bottom of the front post. I would think the Glock has a similar angle as the SR9 and therefore might make your future gun purchase decisions for you as your learned lift will be different.
Anyway, the P226 will not be leaving my possession any time soon as it is my most tried and trusted pistol.
Not necessarily, a metallurgy problem (wrong hardness, improper heat treat, incorrect anodizing) could show up any old time, as could an out of spec part (poorly finished, wrong thickness on a load bearing part).
Also, remember that just because a military unit has 'no issues' with a pistol, doesn't mean that an individual shooter will have the same experience, military units (the few that really use pistols at all) and police departments, have trained armorers on staff and an inventory of spare parts, they also have the tools and equipment to asses the condition of a pistol before it becomes an issue. They also tend to have complete spare pistols on hand, something most civvies don't have. Finally, there's the issue of round count - most average police officers shoot because they have to - it's a requirement, a small percentage shoot because they like it, but even then they are only allotted so many rounds a year for practice, and I'm willing to bet that those allotments are less than an enthusiastic/ semi serious shooter will shoot in a year. All military and most police departments allow only rounds supplied by them to be used in their pistols, so even the most avid shooting police officer would have a markedly lower round count in his/her duty pistol than they would in their personal gun.
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How can you spot these defect at the QC then? Not trying to be a smart ass, I'm just asking a question here. I can understand that faulty fit and finish can be spotted but improper heat treatment can cause a failure at any given time. So far, Ive read good explanation but no personnal feedback of defective firearm. Actually, I read much more thread about issues with the latest generation of Glock than any generation of Sig Sauer firearm.
My P226 is on my no-sell list. Though mine is an older, well used German model. My 1911 is also on my no-sell list.
I have handled the Glock 17 a few times and I hate to admit that it fits my hands well. I didn't get to try the trigger out, but it is a comfortable pistol. I'll never buy one though, for two reasons, it's ugly as sin and it isn't a Sig Sauer.
I have handled the Glock 17 a few times and I hate to admit that it fits my hands well. I didn't get to try the trigger out, but it is a comfortable pistol. I'll never buy one though, for two reasons, it's ugly as sin and it isn't a Sig Sauer.
Proper quality control (the way Sig used to do it - and probably still does for certain orders) includes hardness testing, MPI testing, a set of calipers, frequently X-ray or die-penetration inspection, and proof firing. The issues with Glocks lately have been design based, making changes to the design of recoil spring assemblies, and other design points to make production cheaper - that's a different issue, they tried to invent a cheaper wheel. Sig had a design issue in the '80's when 226's were shearing the rear of the frame rail when used with high pressure ammunition, that wasn't QC, but design, they changed the design and the problem was fixed - much the same way Beretta changed the model 92 to stop the slide from leaving the gun if it fractured. In that case, the materials and production were fine, but the design didn't anticipate the abuse the weapons were subjected to.
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A lot of police officers I know can bring their guns home and shoot it at the range. They don't have to use department issued bullets to practice
The vast majority don't have that option. Certainly the RCMP doesn't, and none of my local guys do, one local force here is limited to 200 rounds/month, and I've heard of forces with lower ammunition allowances.
agreed, ive shot with RCMP here in town and they used different bullets, then the issued ones.
I own both and shoot both quite a bit. From my experience the Glock fits better for me, yes, that is weird, but that's the way it is. Now you have a budget of$1k, if it's IPSC you're looking for I would recommend the Shadow. I shoot a buddy's and it's very accurate (even for me) and feels outstanding. That's what I'm asking Santa for this X-mas!
250 rounds a year here, but we can ask for a few more under the table.
I'm paying for my own training from my own pocket, but we can take the duty firearm home to train with.
I assume your RCMP? I know some of the guys here take the duty firearm home to train with.
Jesus, that's appalling.
I wonder how hard it would be to set up a "bullets for cops" charity program to ensure that more people get proper training allotments.
