Sig, STI, or CZ for first pistol?
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kalashnikov
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Best is to try them. Any guns at that price range (1000 or so) are fine guns. You just need to find the one that will fit your hand...
Search the net for review and ask yourself: do you want polymer or metal frame, fixed sight(or not),caliber (9,45,40) are you a competitor or plinker...all these question will help you find the right gun and avoid the sell/trade/exchange/buy game that will make you loose money!
Thanks.
I've already tried a Sig P226 and a Beretta 92FS. I thought the Beretta was nice until I tried the Sig, which felt to me like it was in a different league. I hated the Glock grip, and my hands are larger/longer than the grip on the S&W M&P so both are out of the question.
I was able to hold the CZ SP-01 Shadow but the range didn't have one as a rental so I couldn't try it. A very generous member has offered to let me try his Shadow sometime, though, so my plan is to decide between the CZ and the Sig after trying the Shadow.
Thanks again,
Mark
kalashnikov
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As read in : http://bestmilitarysurplus.com/sig-p226-pistol-choose-your-cartridge/
"The SIG P226 and the Beretta 92 were the only pistols to successfully pass the Army’s tests in the search for a replacement for the M1911A1 pistol in the 1980s. The reason the Beretta won in the end was because the U.S. military could purchase it for less money. But when Navy SEALs began experiencing problems with the Berettas (at that point dubbed the M9), they started using the SIG P226 instead. The weapon is now also used by crews aboard Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps aircraft."
The CZ 75 SP-01 SHADOW features:
"New style sights consisting of fiber optic front and Competition Style rear promote faster and more accurate target acquisition.
Shadow is fitted with a newly redesigned hammer originating from the CZ 75 Champion. This hammer is slightly wider and has modified sear engagement for smoother release and more positive ignition.
85 Combat style slide without firing pin block helps to smooth the trigger pull and improve distance of trigger reset.
85 Combat Style trigger with over travel adjustment helps to remove excess rear ward trigger movement.
Higher cuts beneath the trigger guard and beaver tail enable a higher grip on the gun, which helps to reduce felt recoil and muzzle flip.
Lighter recoil and main springs originating from original CZ 75 Specifications help to create a smoother more consistent action.
Safeties as found on the CZ 75 SA are fitted as standard; these provide a larger surface area for better positioning of the thumb.
Extended Magazine release allows for ease of reach and more positive ejection of magazine under stressful situations.
Fully beveled magazine well, substantially improves speed and ease of reloading."
2 very fine handgun, one is buisness (military) oriented and the other one is an IPSC/casual gun.
Tuff choice but again... the one that fits your hand.
Good luck, im sure you'll make the right choice!
"The SIG P226 and the Beretta 92 were the only pistols to successfully pass the Army’s tests in the search for a replacement for the M1911A1 pistol in the 1980s. The reason the Beretta won in the end was because the U.S. military could purchase it for less money. But when Navy SEALs began experiencing problems with the Berettas (at that point dubbed the M9), they started using the SIG P226 instead. The weapon is now also used by crews aboard Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps aircraft."
The CZ 75 SP-01 SHADOW features:
"New style sights consisting of fiber optic front and Competition Style rear promote faster and more accurate target acquisition.
Shadow is fitted with a newly redesigned hammer originating from the CZ 75 Champion. This hammer is slightly wider and has modified sear engagement for smoother release and more positive ignition.
85 Combat style slide without firing pin block helps to smooth the trigger pull and improve distance of trigger reset.
85 Combat Style trigger with over travel adjustment helps to remove excess rear ward trigger movement.
Higher cuts beneath the trigger guard and beaver tail enable a higher grip on the gun, which helps to reduce felt recoil and muzzle flip.
Lighter recoil and main springs originating from original CZ 75 Specifications help to create a smoother more consistent action.
Safeties as found on the CZ 75 SA are fitted as standard; these provide a larger surface area for better positioning of the thumb.
Extended Magazine release allows for ease of reach and more positive ejection of magazine under stressful situations.
Fully beveled magazine well, substantially improves speed and ease of reloading."
2 very fine handgun, one is buisness (military) oriented and the other one is an IPSC/casual gun.
Tuff choice but again... the one that fits your hand.
Good luck, im sure you'll make the right choice!
kalashnikov I am not sure but I don't think the CZ 75B was tested. Didn't the tests take place prior to the Communists being ousted from the Czech Republic? From what I read the SIG actually beat out the Beretta but the latter got the nod after a dealwas struck on allowing the US to have a base in Italy.
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Bob
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Bob
that SIG at TSE has been a rental for years, around 2,000,000 rounds through it. Bought one after shooting it. Here is a summary for you from a guy that owns all 3 guns you're looking at. The SIG grips and points like a Beretta, but has the weight and low recoil of a Shadow. If you buy the SIG don't make the mistake of buying it blued as the weight difference from the rental stainless you've tried is huge.
I haven't, unfortunately. I am very limited as to what I can try due to TSE's small range gun selection. It's hard enough to try certain guns, let alone certain variants or modifications.
Mark
Yeah the guy helping me was actually hesitant to let me try their Sig because it was beat up so badly. Apparently it's even been welded back together in some place at some time. I shot it back to back with their rental Beretta though and I definitely preferred the Sig. The feel of the gun, comfort in my hand, lower recoil, and the trigger all felt better (to me). The magazine was difficult to load on the Sig though, but I suspect its been around a long time too (or maybe I just don't have the hang of reloading yet
).So you also own the CZ Shadow? How do you like it compared to the Sig?
What is "Blued"? The Sig for sale that I was looking at in the display case seemed to have just the plain black finish on it. It's at the upper end of my budget as it is
Thanks for your input,
Mark
they have a "silver' color one, even tho it has a cracked slide it still shoots. The black Sig is about 20% lighter than the silver one, because its steel vs aluminum. The shadow is fantastic, especially for rapid fire, but I like the way the SIG grip is. The SIG I bought came with about 10 diff strength springs so I am going to try and make it as smooth as the shadow. I bought the shadow and the SIg even tho its a bunch of money, buy the shadow first because they're available everywhere, where as the p226 in 9mm isnt (unless you're buying t on EE)
Yeah the guy helping me was actually hesitant to let me try their Sig because it was beat up so badly. Apparently it's even been welded back together in some place at some time. I shot it back to back with their rental Beretta though and I definitely preferred the Sig. The feel of the gun, comfort in my hand, lower recoil, and the trigger all felt better (to me). The magazine was difficult to load on the Sig though, but I suspect its been around a long time too (or maybe I just don't have the hang of reloading yet
So you also own the CZ Shadow? How do you like it compared to the Sig?
What is "Blued"? The Sig for sale that I was looking at in the display case seemed to have just the plain black finish on it. It's at the upper end of my budget as it is
Thanks for your input,
Mark
Interesting, I assumed the 9mm Sig 226 was the standard. Is the military issue one .40 then?
The Sig grip was one of my favorites as well. I have freakishly large hands and it seemed to fit the best.
I'm anxious to try the Shadow, as I highly suspect that is what I will end up with as long as there are no surprises. The price is a little more reasonable too.
Thanks again for the input,
Mark
kalashnikov
Regular
You are right. CZ has not been tested by US military in 1980.
And you are also right about the base in italy (I remember reading about this).
But I read also that cost was an issue since the order was HUGE!
I know they fired the beretta for 30000 rnds without FTF or FTE and they just stop at that point. Not sure on who really won cos money was most likely the biggest issue.
My choice would be between sig and CZ.Probably CZ since its IPSC ready...
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Beretta won because of lower price....but both of them are the best in a 9mm cal
... but I'll take SIG226 Elite if ever I have "only one" pistol choice !
Beretta won because of lower price....but both of them are the best in a 9mm cal
... but I'll take SIG226 Elite if ever I have "only one" pistol choice !
kalashnikov
Regular
just get both like me, I asked the same thing and people confused me so much that I bought the beretta and the sig and the shadow lol:
and a couple others..
I envy you...my wife would kill me if even dare buying another 9mm...
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Get the M&P9.....best gun on your list, hands down
