Sig550 Vs Xcr
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Well, I can only speculate.
Robarm probably has a very small office and probably everyone wa working late to get the package out - it sounds ridiculous but it is jsut the way it is, there are always more to do when you think you are done. Missing stuff is bad, but it does happen.
THe fact is - it did not get into the trial.
Even if it somehow got into the trial, I doubt the XCR had a chance at all. For one, robarm will have no manpower to keep up with the requests demanded on them if they ever win. Second, all the little problems, no matter how small they were, pretty much would have sunken them in the trial.
THe basic design concept could be sound, but the execution maynot be mature enough to sell the design concept to the users.
Robarm probably has a very small office and probably everyone wa working late to get the package out - it sounds ridiculous but it is jsut the way it is, there are always more to do when you think you are done. Missing stuff is bad, but it does happen.
THe fact is - it did not get into the trial.
Even if it somehow got into the trial, I doubt the XCR had a chance at all. For one, robarm will have no manpower to keep up with the requests demanded on them if they ever win. Second, all the little problems, no matter how small they were, pretty much would have sunken them in the trial.
THe basic design concept could be sound, but the execution maynot be mature enough to sell the design concept to the users.
When the CF ran the medium sniper rifle trials, many systems were excluded based on the package specs. This included such mundane things as the width of the sling. I think many manufacturers submit their products assuming that the performance is the important thing. Unfortunately, in many cases performance is never even tested due to the nature of the bidding process. Maybe Robinson Arms was simply naive.
Some people believe only what they want to instead of "looking outside of the box of Canadian recreational shooting". See post below that was from another Canadiangunnutz thread on the XCR from Tactical Response.
I realize there are legal issues to consider there (I'm in the States) but from a functional standpoint the XCR is a complete POS if you intend to use it hard. I've had several students bring them to train and they ALL suck. Parts falling out, every malfunction you can imagine, etc....
This is first person observation. Hope it helps.
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I realize there are legal issues to consider there (I'm in the States) but from a functional standpoint the XCR is a complete POS if you intend to use it hard. I've had several students bring them to train and they ALL suck. Parts falling out, every malfunction you can imagine, etc....
This is first person observation. Hope it helps.
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Rich
That's the whole point. A Canadian recreational shooter doesn't need to look outside of the box. Why would they? They'll never go there.
acrashb,
Previous posts have made it an issue, by implying that the XCR is on par with SAN rifles, which is the root of the thread "Sig 550 Vs XCR". I (and others) have posted opinons regarding the issue only to have XCR owners come to the XCR's rescue to what I believe are ridiculous levels.
I like XCR's and would love to have one (I don't because I can't have everyting I want) but don't believe for a second that a sample of them would stand up to a sample of some of the other top rated weapons ( I sound like a broken record, HK 416, SCAR, SAN, Colt Canada C8 or SFW).
Throttle monkey 1: Not all AR's are created equal. Some makes of AR 15's will probably fall apart and have more issues that XCR's or others when run really hard. Don't get too excited about some Police Dept's using the XCR or whatever. There are Dept's that use the Ruger Mini 14 and swear it's the greatest gun on earth. Police Dept's choose weapons for some really strange reasons sometimes, you'd be suprised. It's not always because it's the best gun in the World. You'd be hard pressed to find an Operator (Police or Military) that would trade in his/her SG551 or Colt Canada SFW for a Mini 14.
The XCR has a lot going for it and it's cheaper than SAN rifles. So if this is a price issue, buy the XCR some ammo and practice.
There are those here that believe that the SAN rifles are worth the extra money and as a result deliver better performance.
I'm really out, Rich
Previous posts have made it an issue, by implying that the XCR is on par with SAN rifles, which is the root of the thread "Sig 550 Vs XCR". I (and others) have posted opinons regarding the issue only to have XCR owners come to the XCR's rescue to what I believe are ridiculous levels.
I like XCR's and would love to have one (I don't because I can't have everyting I want) but don't believe for a second that a sample of them would stand up to a sample of some of the other top rated weapons ( I sound like a broken record, HK 416, SCAR, SAN, Colt Canada C8 or SFW).
Throttle monkey 1: Not all AR's are created equal. Some makes of AR 15's will probably fall apart and have more issues that XCR's or others when run really hard. Don't get too excited about some Police Dept's using the XCR or whatever. There are Dept's that use the Ruger Mini 14 and swear it's the greatest gun on earth. Police Dept's choose weapons for some really strange reasons sometimes, you'd be suprised. It's not always because it's the best gun in the World. You'd be hard pressed to find an Operator (Police or Military) that would trade in his/her SG551 or Colt Canada SFW for a Mini 14.
The XCR has a lot going for it and it's cheaper than SAN rifles. So if this is a price issue, buy the XCR some ammo and practice.
There are those here that believe that the SAN rifles are worth the extra money and as a result deliver better performance.
I'm really out, Rich
Throttle_monkey1
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I know that police don't have a choice when the department issues a gun, but the posts I have read, the guys were issued xcrs to replace ars, and they like them. Many in the us also prefer the xcr over the sig 556. I don't think the xcr is better than a sig 551, but I like it better than a pe90. It is also far from being a pos.
So whoever thinks it is the best thing ever is wrong. Whoever says it is a pos, is a fool. I would also like to see a bunch of them run into the ground, or at least tested to the same parameters and criteria as the san rifles in the link beltfed posted.
Anything else is just speculation.
So whoever thinks it is the best thing ever is wrong. Whoever says it is a pos, is a fool. I would also like to see a bunch of them run into the ground, or at least tested to the same parameters and criteria as the san rifles in the link beltfed posted.
Anything else is just speculation.
Well, one fool to another....you keep your XCR and I'll stick to my Sigs and Colt ARs....
If there is test data for the Sigs and none for the XCR, combined with more than a fair share of first person observation of breakage on the XCR, how is it speculation?That's like going into space and taking a picture of the Earth and calling the globe flat....
If you guys defending the XCRs all want to get around and circle jerk over the XCR, have at 'er......but do it knowing you are in complete denial.
Throttle_monkey1
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
So no data for the xcr condemns it? I want the same test run. that's how one makes logical conclusions. Since we're playing the analogy game, what you're saying is akin to "Edmonton is warmer than Mojave desert, because we have data for Edmonton, but none for Mojave"
This is how you do it right: Run a sample number of both rifles through the same tests. Analyze the results.
As it stands, there are reports of failures, but there are reports of guns being rock solid too. That's how it is with all guns.
This is how you do it right: Run a sample number of both rifles through the same tests. Analyze the results.
As it stands, there are reports of failures, but there are reports of guns being rock solid too. That's how it is with all guns.
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I really can't believe you guys are trying to compare the sig 550 or the civvie version with the xcr.
It's obvious that the sig is in a whole other class than the xcr (not saying the xcr is a bad rifle, i'd love to try it out).
On the whole it's a really ####ty comparison & you guys know it.
It's obvious that the sig is in a whole other class than the xcr (not saying the xcr is a bad rifle, i'd love to try it out).
On the whole it's a really ####ty comparison & you guys know it.
You're analogy not mine.
There may be no trial data to draw from, but there is enough negative information from owners and observations that you can draw educated assumptions from.
There are too many negative reports to assume it is coincidence.
My analogy would go something like this: The temperature on Earth is cooler than the surface of the Sun. We have data from around the Earth but none from the surface of the sun, so we have to make educated assumption.
