I did a poll on this a while back and everyone got pissy.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=455585
Silence everyone!
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I did a poll on this a while back and everyone got pissy.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=455585
- Location
- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
Someone please tell me what this gun is and why I have never seen it before!
Classified as a prohib because they say this bullpup can fire with out the stock. There for it's evil and bad. The name I think is called...
Someone please tell me what this gun is and why I have never seen it before!
Walther continues its long-standing tradition of manufacturing small-bore rifles that have won numerous gold medals in the Olympic games and at World Championship matches with the introduction of the new Walther G22. The Walther G22 employs an innovative "Bullpup" design for the first time on any Walther .22 rifle. The G22 with its full line of accessories is a utilitarian rifle for hunting, competitive shooting or just plinking.
G22 Details
- Fire control and magazine integrated into the rear of the stock.
- This gives an extremely short overall length of 720mm in spite of the optimal 508mm barrel length.
- The first small-bore rifle in this class available in a genuine left-hand version.
- Variable-length stock for a custom fit to the shooter. A 20mm extension is included.
- Adjustable sliding sights.
- Weaver-style universal rail at the sight mount to accept optics.
- Weaver-style universal rail at the front sight mount to accept the Walther laser.
- Weaver-style universal rail at the forearm for a bipod or other accessories.
- The Walther Safety Package provides a maximum degree of safety during use and when in storage. It consists of a slide safety, cocking indicator, magazine safety and integral lock to protect against unauthorized use.
- Location
- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
How does that make it anymore dangerous?
Oh wait this is Canada. Nevermind.
Oh wait this is Canada. Nevermind.
I rather enjoy making a lot of noise. Imagine if we were compelled to use sound suppressors on our firearms; many people would wish for the days when we could make as much noise as we liked. People are fickle.
Classified as a prohib because they say this bullpup can fire with out the stock. There for it's evil and bad. The name I think is called...
Walther continues its long-standing tradition of manufacturing small-bore rifles that have won numerous gold medals in the Olympic games and at World Championship matches with the introduction of the new Walther G22. The Walther G22 employs an innovative "Bullpup" design for the first time on any Walther .22 rifle. The G22 with its full line of accessories is a utilitarian rifle for hunting, competitive shooting or just plinking.
G22 Details
- Fire control and magazine integrated into the rear of the stock.
- This gives an extremely short overall length of 720mm in spite of the optimal 508mm barrel length.
- The first small-bore rifle in this class available in a genuine left-hand version.
- Variable-length stock for a custom fit to the shooter. A 20mm extension is included.
- Adjustable sliding sights.
- Weaver-style universal rail at the sight mount to accept optics.
- Weaver-style universal rail at the front sight mount to accept the Walther laser.
- Weaver-style universal rail at the forearm for a bipod or other accessories.
- The Walther Safety Package provides a maximum degree of safety during use and when in storage. It consists of a slide safety, cocking indicator, magazine safety and integral lock to protect against unauthorized use.
It should be noted that it was classified as prohib after several made it in to Canada. Apparently, the few in civilian hands are in a state of limbo wherein they're not transferrable to another PAL holder, but I think can be sold to a business with a prohib licence.
Sorry for the thread derail, guys.
And that is how it is done. Government employees use silencers owned by the government in the commission of their duties.
Yeah, the suppressed full power round is WAY quieter than an unsuppressed subsonic round. Subsonic ammo will typically run around 155 dB or so (roughly as loud as a 9mm handgun) while a suppressed full power 338 Lapua will be about 139 dB with a good silencer. I stood within 3 feet of the muzzle of this thing without hearing protection while it was being shot.
FWIW 140 dB is the limit for hearing damage from impulse noise.
The supersonic crack always goes away. The shooter is NEVER directly exposed to the sonic crack because it moves away from the bullet's path at right angles (like a powerboat wake)
This is one of those things that is coming around in a circle. For a long time Hollywood presented an unrealistic portrayal of silencers. However, now some silenced firearms are exceeding what you hear in the movies. In particular, .22 rimfire pistols and rifles are spooky quiet, with the action noise being the loudest noise. Even some of the better 9mm suppressors are stupid quiet and are approaching action noise.
Harumphhh! Any fool can make a big noise.
There is simply nothing like the "Thhppt ...clack...................... thud." of a really quiet silenced gunshot. The gun bucks in your hand, you hear the clack of the action cycling and then the bullet impact. The removal of the blast makes for an addictive experience.
Shooting at paper is another fun experience cause you can actually hear the bullet go through the target. I have heard that noise from as far back as 200 yds, which even after years of playing with these things is a heady experience.
FWIW silencers act as amazingly good muzzle brakes. They reduce recoil quite efficiently. On full-auto a suppressed carbine is easily capable of putting big long bursts into a target.
Slightly off-topic but Suputin, how do you find that suppressor on the timberwolf compared to the PGW reflex style suppressor? Do you find one style works better then the other? I don't see much reflex suppressors, so I'm curious. They seem handy at shortening the OAL, but are they not as efficient as the other (dare I say "regular") style of suppressor?
To be honest, I have not shot the PGW suppressor. However I have shot real BR Reflex Suppressors in a variety of calibers. The Reflex is quite simple inside and relies mostly on volume for it sound reduction. The result being that it isn't all that quiet (~149 dB on a 338 Lapua). It also produces a very high pitched and slightly unpleasant signature due to the large unsupported expansion chamber.
Me testing a 556 Reflex Suppressor on a FA M4 Carbine.
The strengths of the reflex design are its short mounted length and its rugged two point mount. Although the design is quite simple inside, the large diameter means there is quite a lot of metal so they tend to be heavier than you'd think. The PGW can is 100% titanium and weighs only 3/4 oz less than our stainless suppressor.
Our 338 can is all steel, is considerably smaller and is 10 dB quieter, reaching into the hearing safe range with full power ammo.
Generally yes. A vortex flash hider is not a muzzle brake.
Yes, that can have an effect. There were cases where ATF classed some brake designs as suppressors because they redirected sound and blast away from the microphone resulting in a sound reduction at the meter location.
The mil std for sound testing silencers specifies the mic location to ensure consistent results. Silencers have a tendency to focus the remaining noise forward more-so than a naked barrel.
Or, let's put suppressors on, and just put the stupid people who wrote the stupid legislation right in front.
Problem... still there, but we'd all feel better.
On another note, someone dig up Trudeau so I can piss at his dead skull...
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- Witness Protection Program
Look at the size of that thing! Couldn't they have made it any bigger?
You'd be better off moving to the US. NZ silencers tend to be inexpensive and low tech .... meaning they are HUGE and not nearly as quiet or durable as the more advanced designs that we see on this continent.
What you talkin bout Willis? Silencers work just fine with conventional supersonic rounds. Most modern designs are capable of reducing the muzzle signature below the limit for hearing damage from impulse sound ..... meaning they make the gun safe to shoot without hearing protection.
I'm not sure about Sweden but I know that in Finland they are encouraged in order to reduce noise pollution.
That would make sense about these guys:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalyptica
