As has been mentioned...it won't be so good for wintering ungulates. However, I am not sure if there is a better solution for energy requirements...
Site C dam too be approved in BC Peace
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As has been mentioned...it won't be so good for wintering ungulates. However, I am not sure if there is a better solution for energy requirements...
I had an Aunty once. She taught her girl to kill wolves and deer.
Anyway i wonder if the damn is being built to charge americans $$ for water down the road. You can bet we will be selling power along with the rest of our souls.
Anyway i wonder if the damn is being built to charge americans $$ for water down the road. You can bet we will be selling power along with the rest of our souls.
There are currently 2 dams on the Peace. Bennett and the Peace Canyon dam. The Bennet dam is about 183 meters tall and the Peace Canyon is not very far down river. The Bennett Dam acts as a huge filter for sediment flowing down river. Site C is a considerable distance down river with quite a few more tributaries coming into the Peace. Site C is projected to be 60 meters tall. You can see the water color difference from the Canyon to the Site C location. There is way more sediment down river and it is going to 'eventually' cause grief with the much shorter dam.
I worked in a few dams in Alberta. I have lived around one for all my life. It may change the landscape a bit, but after seeing and working around a dam every day, they do benefit the wildlife and the environment in the long run. Very clean and very cheap energy. The company that I worked for had a lot of wind turbines. And the maintenence cost VS life expectancy and unreliability caused the company to come up with a plan to get rid of them. They are also very hard on many bird species. Solar is also not very reliable and certainly not cheap... It is a lot more in depth than people think. Hydro is very easy and runs literally forever. We had units running that were built over 100 years ago still putting power on the grid.
FYI BC is not self sufficent. There is a tie line into alberta that power is exported from ab into bc every day...
FYI BC is not self sufficent. There is a tie line into alberta that power is exported from ab into bc every day...
Not quite with the post , but you sir are an idiot. Teachers teach the youth and we all need nurses. Look at class sizes, class make up, actually get off your high horse and ask a teacher or a nurse what they go through. I have and I think it is bull####!
I read that Alberta coal fired thermal plants can't just shut down at night when demand is low so they sell discounted power to BC Hydro at night. Then BC Hydro shuts off some of its turbines to consume the Alberta power, then in the daytime produce more power than needed and sell it on the North American spot market thus making a tidy profit. I'm not really sure if our domestic power consumption exceeds our production or not.
The elk are coming back in some areas. 100 mile house for example. We're talking rare sightings but for a few years now there is a small herd roaming around. Last I saw them there was 7 cows and 2 bulls. However, the ministry seems determined to tranquillize and relocate the bulls. They did that last year with a HUGE 7pt that decided to claim a herd of cattle along the hwy, just leaving 100 mile. Tranq'ed , antlers cut off and horse trailered to who knows where.
Site C will not benefit residents of BC... That damn is being built (like everything else in BC) to pad the pockets of corporations, nothing more.
Paint it with whatever brush you want, it is a project to benefit politicians and corporate greed at the cost of our land and nature. Pathetic.
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When it comes to Hydro, Solar, Wind, even Tide the answer should be yes. I know that there was talk of a big wind project up one of the coast inlets just north of Lund.
Cant help thinking that the whole retro fit of "Smart meters" is part of this. Rate payers will face a application for a giant rate increase or be given the option of applying the smart meters for the purpose we were told would not be used. That is varying electric rates, with high rates in the daytime to free up capacity which would be sold to California. Again the cynic in me.
I think that there are going to be a lot of groups stepping up for a payout. Sport hunters should be one of them, with the payout going to proper wildlife management. This project is projected for 8.8 Billion with a additional 600 million added since that projection(that must have been where i got that number), why not a insignificant number of Millions in Wildlife stewardship. As already said, relocating Elk, which eventually could result in a population that would support hunting. I am not sure of Moose, as many in that area would be Yukon/Alaska subspecies and i am not sure of introducing them to the South where Moose are typically 650lbs on the meat hooks for a interior Bull.
Cant help thinking that the whole retro fit of "Smart meters" is part of this. Rate payers will face a application for a giant rate increase or be given the option of applying the smart meters for the purpose we were told would not be used. That is varying electric rates, with high rates in the daytime to free up capacity which would be sold to California. Again the cynic in me.
I think that there are going to be a lot of groups stepping up for a payout. Sport hunters should be one of them, with the payout going to proper wildlife management. This project is projected for 8.8 Billion with a additional 600 million added since that projection(that must have been where i got that number), why not a insignificant number of Millions in Wildlife stewardship. As already said, relocating Elk, which eventually could result in a population that would support hunting. I am not sure of Moose, as many in that area would be Yukon/Alaska subspecies and i am not sure of introducing them to the South where Moose are typically 650lbs on the meat hooks for a interior Bull.
Correct. We have a similar arrangement with Washington state. We get the better end of the stick, both ways.
They should just run Burrard Generating Station a 900MW natural gas plant in Port Moody instead of shutting it down. With all the cheap gas available in BC (that they will probably never export) and its bought and paid for, but I guess its not 'green' energy
The area effected by the proposed site C is extremely miniscule, as compared to the original dam on the Peace at Hudson's Hope. The original dam MASSIVELY changed the landscape, even having an effect on climate.
Now, to see things in prospective, set your Google Earth at +56 -122 14 and punch the search button. When Google Earth stops, adjust the magnification so the original dam is a bit above the hand and the yellow line of highway 97 is somewhat to the right in the picture.
With your eye, just follow down the Peace River to the right, past the canyon dam, until you come to highway 97. Site C will be built just a couple of miles before the Peace crosses the highway.
Thus, the area effected by the dam will be the valley from below the canyon dam until almost to highway 97.
Now, without changing the magnification of Google Earth, start moving the hand west, to your left, along the lake formed by the original dam. Keep it going, until the lake spreads out greatly, both to the north and to the south. follow the lake to the north, then return and go south to the south end of the lake. This is the lake formed by the Bennett dam. Besides the two main rivers that formed the Peace, the Finlay and the Parsnip, the lake flooded the lower reaches of eleven waterways designated as rivers.
Maybe now you can reduce the magnification of Google Earth, until the entire Williston Lake and highway 97 is visible on the screen. The tiny distance from the original canyon dam, below the start of Williston Lake and highway 97 will be the land effected by the building of Site C. The distance looks pretty small, doesn't it, as compared to Williston Lake?
The land to be flooded includes good, valley farm land, which has been owned for a long time by farmers, at least one of which was the home ranch of a major guiding operation. However, I understand the privately owned farm land has been bought out by the province for some years now.
In short, the flooded area that will effect wintering areas for big game is actually pretty minor.
Now, to see things in prospective, set your Google Earth at +56 -122 14 and punch the search button. When Google Earth stops, adjust the magnification so the original dam is a bit above the hand and the yellow line of highway 97 is somewhat to the right in the picture.
With your eye, just follow down the Peace River to the right, past the canyon dam, until you come to highway 97. Site C will be built just a couple of miles before the Peace crosses the highway.
Thus, the area effected by the dam will be the valley from below the canyon dam until almost to highway 97.
Now, without changing the magnification of Google Earth, start moving the hand west, to your left, along the lake formed by the original dam. Keep it going, until the lake spreads out greatly, both to the north and to the south. follow the lake to the north, then return and go south to the south end of the lake. This is the lake formed by the Bennett dam. Besides the two main rivers that formed the Peace, the Finlay and the Parsnip, the lake flooded the lower reaches of eleven waterways designated as rivers.
Maybe now you can reduce the magnification of Google Earth, until the entire Williston Lake and highway 97 is visible on the screen. The tiny distance from the original canyon dam, below the start of Williston Lake and highway 97 will be the land effected by the building of Site C. The distance looks pretty small, doesn't it, as compared to Williston Lake?
The land to be flooded includes good, valley farm land, which has been owned for a long time by farmers, at least one of which was the home ranch of a major guiding operation. However, I understand the privately owned farm land has been bought out by the province for some years now.
In short, the flooded area that will effect wintering areas for big game is actually pretty minor.
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"The land to be flooded includes good, valley farm land,"
It is not the Frazer Valley. When I worked up there it was mostly hay crops for the ranches in the area. Some potatoes patches behind the houses.
Not exactly the "Garden of Eden" that the antis portray it as (they have no shame - the means justify the ends for that type).
It is not the Frazer Valley. When I worked up there it was mostly hay crops for the ranches in the area. Some potatoes patches behind the houses.
Not exactly the "Garden of Eden" that the antis portray it as (they have no shame - the means justify the ends for that type).
nobody is forcing anyone to work a job they don't like or can not agree with the conditions, If you are worth more than your current employer is willing to pay seek out a better employer.
It is not a secret what the job requires or what it pays when you choose to go to school for it..... As for class size and make up, It is a non starter for me, when I was in school many years ago, the highschool was over capacity by almost 1000 students, class sizes were in the low 30's. Today there is less students (people having less kids), the school is not over capacity, yet the teachers want smaller classes?
I have friends who are teachers, the ones who are younger are happy to have a government job, benefits and pay. The older ones have a sense of entitlement the younger ones do not in asking for more while doing less work for it.
Back on topic, Site C was planned long ago, the government bought up all the land back in the planning stages, for people to be surprised that it is finally being built and are now going to protest is obsurd.
I wrote an article in Trade Talk magazine a few years ago.
What I found out in the course of one interview amazed me:
George Ingham, president of United Power Limited says that B.C. is in the dark ages when it comes to solar power generation when the province is ideally located to generate power.
There are a lot of popular misconceptions to battle, he says, primarily the one that B.C.’s climate and weather and hours of sunlight are not conducive for solar power generation.
Solar modules can work at maximum efficiency in B.C., better than in Arizona or California, he said.
B.C. has the ideal temperature for solar,” Ingham explained. “For every degree over 72 degrees (22.2 Celsius) the module loses one-half of one percent per degree. “
The average temperature in B.C. is 62 degree Fahrenheit (16.6 Celsius), Ingham said, pointing out that all modules operating in B.C. operate at higher than their rated capacity.
Another point Ingham emphasizes is that in British Columbia, receives its sunlight at a 45 degree angle from the sun.
“At 45 degrees both the roof and walls are acceptable for solar,” he said. “In the United States it is only the roof.”
On the roof the heat from the roof increases the temperature and dilutes the ability of a module to output properly, he added.
“In Arizona a module puts out 80 percent of capacity and in Vancouver it’s at 105 percent to 110,” Ingham said. And in winter when you think it is not going to produce, you are wrong. The solar module in winter produces 120 percent of capacity -- the opposite to what you would think.”
Even the rain and in BC contributes to solar energy generation through added reflection Ingham said.
What I found out in the course of one interview amazed me:
George Ingham, president of United Power Limited says that B.C. is in the dark ages when it comes to solar power generation when the province is ideally located to generate power.
There are a lot of popular misconceptions to battle, he says, primarily the one that B.C.’s climate and weather and hours of sunlight are not conducive for solar power generation.
Solar modules can work at maximum efficiency in B.C., better than in Arizona or California, he said.
B.C. has the ideal temperature for solar,” Ingham explained. “For every degree over 72 degrees (22.2 Celsius) the module loses one-half of one percent per degree. “
The average temperature in B.C. is 62 degree Fahrenheit (16.6 Celsius), Ingham said, pointing out that all modules operating in B.C. operate at higher than their rated capacity.
Another point Ingham emphasizes is that in British Columbia, receives its sunlight at a 45 degree angle from the sun.
“At 45 degrees both the roof and walls are acceptable for solar,” he said. “In the United States it is only the roof.”
On the roof the heat from the roof increases the temperature and dilutes the ability of a module to output properly, he added.
“In Arizona a module puts out 80 percent of capacity and in Vancouver it’s at 105 percent to 110,” Ingham said. And in winter when you think it is not going to produce, you are wrong. The solar module in winter produces 120 percent of capacity -- the opposite to what you would think.”
Even the rain and in BC contributes to solar energy generation through added reflection Ingham said.
Guys, the land they are flooding is on a flood plain. I've seen it. It's not being used to grow food, it seems to be pasture hay of some sort for the most part. Animals do go down there and still will even after it's flooded. They will just be a bit further away. Land isn't like in many other places. You see farms that are on 1/4 sections etc. The most common crop I see grown there is canola flower along with gas pumps. There are gas pumps etc all over that area. Add in the trucks going along the Alaska highway venting condensate fumes. Plus the high cancer rates of people in those areas. It's not the nature wonderland many on here are portraying. It's right smack in the middle of oil/gas country. Think BC's Fort Mac. There is some beauty to the area but.... It's already being used for energy and frankly this isn't a bad place for it to be. You have the smelly gas factory and pulp area of Taylor, you have Dawson creek, Fort St. John right in there heavily involved in oil/gas. You have Hudson's hope with it's dam. If you're going to put it anywhere, that's not too disruptive to the rest of BC. Plus with the oil/gas right now not doing so well, it will help keep things going up there.
I should also add that those thinking the animals will leave are misguided. Hudson's hope has a dam. Try driving along Highway 29 without hitting multiple deer. It was a real skill not to wipe out your vehicles with deer along that area. That is with a dam.
I went on a quad trip in Hudson's hope back in 2008. Good time. The sand for the short time when the water was down was awesome for it. This one was over on some dunes near the reservoir.
I should also add that those thinking the animals will leave are misguided. Hudson's hope has a dam. Try driving along Highway 29 without hitting multiple deer. It was a real skill not to wipe out your vehicles with deer along that area. That is with a dam.
I went on a quad trip in Hudson's hope back in 2008. Good time. The sand for the short time when the water was down was awesome for it. This one was over on some dunes near the reservoir.
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