SK Long Range 22lr Review

[Mystic Precision]

Just fun only?
Guys are spending $4000 and usually more for Vudoo's and other guns to gain an edge. These are serious competition rigs that I'd like to see how they perform in the real world before I consider spending that much. Nobody will convince me they can shoot better than your average factory CZ until I see proof.

Just look at the scores... in BC.. alot of Vudoos, custom bolt rifles of all sorts... look at what is on the podium. I have a pretty good idea of what gear took top spots at the CRPS/BCPRL/KTSA matches Merritt, Kamloops, Heffley Creek. Sorry, don't know about the island matches and Mission rimfire prs matches closed in 2019

And the CRPS 2019 and 2020 Western Championships.

For ammo, I don't know anyone at the BC matches I go to in the top 10 shooting SK long range.. but things change as gear change. I look forward to seeing where gear is this season if we can get out and play.

Jerry

 

[old303]

SK Long Range Match has become the preferred ammo for CRPS shooters. For a while it was Eley Match, but those days are long gone.

And yet we keep hearing that a shooter should test every kind of ammo available (at least that's a narrower range presently!) and that it might still change from manufacturing lot to lot so buy up the rest of any lot that works well.

And it's got to differ by barrel too. Domestically I'm aware of at least Dlask, International/IBI, and Grey Birch making .22 barrels worth looking at, and there are a herd of different foreign offerings with possible Canadian availability. No idea which is "the best", or how much variation there is between theoretically-identical ones off the same manufacturing line, but ideally there'd be more of an idea out there that if you have such-and-such rifle/barrel then which ammo brands to focus on rather than this vast cloud of possibility that every individual rifle needs to be tested with every lot of every kind of ammunition.

 

[stubblejumper]

Just fun only?
Guys are spending $4000 and usually more for Vudoo's and other guns to gain an edge. These are serious competition rigs that I'd like to see how they perform in the real world before I consider spending that much. Nobody will convince me they can shoot better than your average factory CZ until I see proof.

I don't compete, I shoot only for entertainment. I have owned a Volquartsen, a Remington 541S, a few Coopers, several CZs, Several Anschutz 54s and a Fortner, and I decided to try a Vudoo. Although I never tested the Long Range in any of those other rifles, the Vudoo has been my most accurate rimfire.

 

[sunmoong]

Speaking of the SK STD +, My CZ457 with IBI 22" Olmpic shnuble barrel got very good results at 100y. Pic below is 2x 5 round groups. Needless to say what it performs at 50y.

 

[skwerl]

Speaking of the SK STD +, My CZ457 with IBI 22" Olmpic shnuble barrel got very good results at 100y. Pic below is 2x 5 round groups. Needless to say what it performs at 50y.

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Xlnt pic , you should be in charge of SK Advertizing ...

 

[Maple57]

Just fun only?
Guys are spending $4000 and usually more for Vudoo's and other guns to gain an edge. These are serious competition rigs that I'd like to see how they perform in the real world before I consider spending that much. Nobody will convince me they can shoot better than your average factory CZ until I see proof.

I just got home from a match and $4000 would be chump change for some of those guys. Tangent theta scopes, US Optics, Kahles, Kestrel HUD -Heads up displays...

RimX and Voodoos everywhere.

A CZ452 looks like a kids gun out there.

There was a time when the odd guy had a Voodoo, now its typical.

Guys that don't shoot Voodoos are shooting RimX or Bergaras with 24 to 26 inch barrels to improve the balance.

 

[emerson]

Just fun only?
Guys are spending $4000 and usually more for Vudoo's and other guns to gain an edge. These are serious competition rigs that I'd like to see how they perform in the real world before I consider spending that much. Nobody will convince me they can shoot better than your average factory CZ until I see proof.

I stand by what I said. It’s fun to post shooting stuff, but expecting someone to meet precise extensive review standards because someone reading a free forum expects it, is not reasonable. My limited experience says my Tikka shoots about the same as a decent CZ with the same ammo as the OP. The OPs targets are more than twice as good as mine at similar ranges. I haven’t found SKRM to be particularly consistent, but maybe the Voodoo makes the difference.

 

[emerson]

What I'm going to say has nothing to do with the OP.

emerson, you are criticizing me directly. You claim my response causes people to "often choose not to post." You need to reread this thread and reconsider your remarks as they are wholly unjustified.

Below is what the OP said in the first post.



Here's what I said in reply to the OP.



This is enough to cause people to decide not to post? A single question? Were you able to shoot more than two? Is that too tough a question?

If that question is intimidating and frightens some CGN rimfire shooters away, they need to toughen up and grow a pair. Firearms forums aren't a good idea for the faint of heart.

In the end, Stubble was kind enough to answer the question in post #27.



Now we know. He shot only two targets for understandable reasons. I also often stop shooting when people disturb my concentration.

Add that to what little he said in the first post, only two targets were shot, it was plus 3 with a light breeze and the best group at 100m was .460". There's the fuller picture.

Hi Glenn, I had a long post but this is better. You have a great deal to offer. Extensive knowledge and experience. Sometimes that is clouded by the way you present it. As far as conclusions, it’s cheaper for me to buy premium 22 ammo than a Voodoo. My SKRM doesn’t shoot that well, even for 1 or 2 groups.

 

[EHG]

Ok, so I guess it really is just for fun for some people. Interesting answers. I stand corrected and am obviously out of my league when comp guns are reaching into $8000 + .
I had no idea and am bowing out here. This is not an affordable game for me.

 

[emerson]

Ok, so I guess it really is just for fun for some people. Interesting answers. I stand corrected and am obviously out of my league when comp guns are reaching into $8000 + .
I had no idea and am bowing out here. This is not an affordable game for me.

I felt similarly at one point. Consider the cost of a quad, sled, tropical vacation, depreciation on a 6-8 year old vehicle. A $3500 couch or $35K travel trailer that gets used 8 days a year. An $8K Voodoo including quality optic is still worth $5-$6K after you shoot it a lot. Actually a pretty good investment considering retained value and personal enjoyment. Much better than a couple foggy weeks at an all inclusive, for me anyway.

 

[grauhanen]

As far as conclusions, it’s cheaper for me to buy premium 22 ammo than a Voodoo. My SKRM doesn’t shoot that well, even for 1 or 2 groups.

That's a good and important observation that's well worth the time to think on. No rifle has magic that will allow it to outshoot the ammo it's given. To put it another way, with .22LR, neither the top scoring custom BR rigs nor the best Bleiker or Grünig & Elmiger 3P rifles will turn poorly shooting ammo into good stuff. It's always necessary to find ammo that can shoot well.

 

[Mystic Precision]

Ok, so I guess it really is just for fun for some people. Interesting answers. I stand corrected and am obviously out of my league when comp guns are reaching into $8000 + .
I had no idea and am bowing out here. This is not an affordable game for me.

I think you may have misunderstood my post... the rifle(s) used to get on the podium of the largest matches in BC in 2018, 19 and 20... DIDN'T cost alot of money.

In fact, pretty much all the biggest matches in 2019 and 2020 in BC were not won by Bolt rifles

Cost of rifle is not determining outcome....

Jerry

 

[Maple57]

I call 100m long range (LR), 200m Extra Long Range (ELR), and
350m plus Ultra Long Range (ULR) for .22 rimfire .
Along with the Mark & Sam from Australia way of categories.

I would disagree with this.

If we equate this to center fire, a 300 yard shot with a rim fire has about the same drop as a center fire round at 1000 yards. So I wouldn't call anything ELR until at least 300 with a 22LR.

 

[Maple57]

Just fun only?
Guys are spending $4000 and usually more for Vudoo's and other guns to gain an edge. These are serious competition rigs that I'd like to see how they perform in the real world before I consider spending that much. Nobody will convince me they can shoot better than your average factory CZ until I see proof.

The proof is that guys don't win very often with factory CZs.

I have a CZ452 and other guns as well as guys in my shooting group. We have a RimX, 4 Voodoos a Sako and a Bergara as well. With wind and weather effects at long distances its easy to blame that for everything, but for whatever reason, guys with better guns just shoot better.

Keep in mind that it's not all in the cost. Sometimes it can be something obscure like the firing pin strike producing more consistent velocities than a lesser engineered rifle.

At 100 yards, the CZ 452 just is not as accurate as a Voodoo or RimX which are about half the size groups.

Study bolt disassembly videos for all of these and try to imagine which system would be most consistent and why.

Aside from firing pin strike, accuracy is in the barrel, and I have my doubts that a CZ action could support the weight of a 24 inch MTU profile barrel.

 

[Maple57]

Ok, so I guess it really is just for fun for some people. Interesting answers. I stand corrected and am obviously out of my league when comp guns are reaching into $8000 + .
I had no idea and am bowing out here. This is not an affordable game for me.

I would try and encourage you to pursue this sport. Don't be intimidated by anyone.

Prizes for 22LR matches like this are usually raffled off, so even if someone shoots better than you, you may go home with a better prize.

Don't be hurt if you don't win, just shoot the best you can and try to do better next time.

You will have a ton of fun and learn a lot no matter where you place.

 

[skwerl]

Ok, so I guess it really is just for fun for some people. Interesting answers. I stand corrected and am obviously out of my league when comp guns are reaching into $8000 + .
I had no idea and am bowing out here. This is not an affordable game for me.

Hey man this equipment cost level eliminates 98 % of the shooting community
a $3,000.00 rifle can compete any where , as you know certain requirements have to be
adhered to in certain classes .
I shoot my $4,000.00 Cooper M. Varminter against myself with a ''Win'' & a "Loss"
every time , and I feel xlnt.. with both .

 

[EHG]

I would try and encourage you to pursue this sport. Don't be intimidated by anyone...

No thanks man.
Being a winner comes with talent or with decades of practice and cost.
I actually do have fun at a fraction of the cost, but these are at local matches and trying to rework old guns.

Anyway, enough of me. I'm enjoying what you guys can pull off with the best equipment. Keep it up!

 

[emerson]

I would disagree with this.

If we equate this to center fire, a 300 yard shot with a rim fire has about the same drop as a center fire round at 1000 yards. So I wouldn't call anything ELR until at least 300 with a 22LR.

A 20” 6.5CM needs about 17.5 mils at 1300M. 17.5 mils gets my 22 around 320M.

 

[Maple57]

A 20” 6.5CM needs about 17.5 mils at 1300M. 17.5 mils gets my 22 around 320M.

The point is entirely subjective to the BC of the bullet and velocity in question.

Do the math with a 308 Winchester running 155 SMK, or a 223 running 80 grain SMK... Typical 1000 yard DCRA TR loads.