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Italian Sporting Goods presently has Federal Gold Medal at 8.99/box.

My Tikka T1X and the last Brno I had, loved this stuff, and it was very consistent between lots.

I bought my first brick to see if it would shoot well in the Brno, which it did much better than I had hoped. I used the last of it in the Tikka T1X, and it shoots very well out of it as well. The Tikka isn't as fussy as the Brno was, so I kept it as my last serious rimfire shooter.

There are other loads out there that will shoot marginally better, but not enough for my purposes these days.

davidoff, if you're shooting matches, and winning is important, then spend the extra money, but don't purchase it by the brick if you're serious about consistent accuracy. Buy several bricks or even a 5k case, if it comes that way. Some match ammo maxes out at 2500/case.

Just a suggestion of course but it would be cheaper by a couple of hundred dollars when shipping is involved on several purchases.
 
bearhunter said:
Italian Sporting Goods presently has Federal Gold Medal at 8.99/box.

My Tikka T1X and the last Brno I had, loved this stuff, and it was very consistent between lots.

I bought my first brick to see if it would shoot well in the Brno, which it did much better than I had hoped. I used the last of it in the Tikka T1X, and it shoots very well out of it as well. The Tikka isn't as fussy as the Brno was, so I kept it as my last serious rimfire shooter.

There are other loads out there that will shoot marginally better, but not enough for my purposes these days.

davidoff, if you're shooting matches, and winning is important, then spend the extra money, but don't purchase it by the brick if you're serious about consistent accuracy. Buy several bricks or even a 5k case, if it comes that way. Some match ammo maxes out at 2500/case.

Just a suggestion of course but it would be cheaper by a couple of hundred dollars when shipping is involved on several purchases.
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Out of curiosity, what match ammo comes in cases of 2500?
 
Longstud said:
Out of curiosity, what match ammo comes in cases of 2500?
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It's been a while, but some of the Eley ammunition I used to buy came in boxes of 2500. 5 x 500

For those buying by the brick, they don't see how the seller gets the ammunition.

Most of it comes in 5k boxes, which contain ten bricks.
 
I'm testing right now; first day at the range with it; slightly better than TAC 22, Tac-22 is markedly better than CCI STD, which is better than all the Eley stuff I have tried. Time will tell. Rifle is a CZ 455 with a 20.5" Varmint barrel, CZ compensator etc, etc, etc. I too paid 150 but picked it up so no shipping.
 
Meroh said:
I'm testing right now; first day at the range with it; slightly better than TAC 22, Tac-22 is markedly better than CCI STD, which is better than all the Eley stuff I have tried. Time will tell. Rifle is a CZ 455 with a 20.5" Varmint barrel, CZ compensator etc, etc, etc. I too paid 150 but picked it up so no shipping.
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Tac 22 has run quite well in most .22s I put it through.
 
Hmatt said:
Good luck finding them. My uncle and I are on a permanent search for them across bc and AB. Rarely find a box here and there
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I haven't had a problem finding them in the last year or so. Lots of stores showing stock right now. Epps, Prairie gun traders, Tiger arms, Reliable guns. I've been shooting lots of the CCI segmented mini mags also. Hope they put the segmented bullet in a hyper velocity round.
 
Meroh - Are you running a chrony on those Tac-22s ? The 'box says' 1083, while the CCI-SV 'says' 1070. I tested some CCI-SV thru my Sav-B22-FV and got a High=1069 and Low=1039. And I don't have CCI-SV thru my VMTR, but the SK-RM went H=1099; L=1080. Seems that the 'faster' bullets in Tacs might help, ESP at shorter ranges ?
 
Rarely will any rimfire ammo produce the velocities printed on the box. Waaay to many variables involved. Its just a generalization but Ive had subsonic ammo break the sound barrier on numerous occassions. Weather plus the gun or barrel or chamber or elevation blah blah blah not to mention the deviation from one round to the next. Pop,pop,pop,pop, BANG. Know what I mean. If its close to the number it can go higher into the supersonic relatively easily. As far as the 2500 round cases, Ive never seen anything but 5000 rounds but the 2500 price tag would be easier to swallow haha.
 
Tac22 was absolute hot garbage for me. Most inconsistent velocities, widest ES out of all my ammos, average groups at best... this is through a 1:16 match IBI bull barrel. Surprisingly cci SV and sellier & bellot canadian match have been the best cheap match ammo for me so far. Tested CCI SV, Blazer, Tac22, SB canadian match, SK rifle match, SK flatnose, Eley Benchrest outlaw, Eley Club, Eley pistol X. The SK has been the best so far but that's for match day.
 
jhnvan said:
Tac22 was absolute hot garbage for me. Most inconsistent velocities, widest ES out of all my ammos, average groups at best... this is through a 1:16 match IBI bull barrel. Surprisingly cci SV and sellier & bellot canadian match have been the best cheap match ammo for me so far. Tested CCI SV, Blazer, Tac22, SB canadian match, SK rifle match, SK flatnose, Eley Benchrest outlaw, Eley Club, Eley pistol X. The SK has been the best so far but that's for match day.
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If there is one thing about rimfire ammo, as well as centerfire, especially when it comes to commercially mass produced items meant to work well over a wide selection of firearms, EACH RIFLE IS AN ENTITY UNTO ITSELF.

I presently have two rimfire rifles I shoot regularly, one is my Tikka T1X, which I like a lot, and the other is a recent addition, a Martini mini action I installed a barrel on and used my special order "Match" chamber reamer.

The Tikka Chamber isn't nearly as fussy as the Martini chamber, which was headspaced using five different lots of CCI SV ammunition to keep dimensions tight enough to be useful with most ammunition, but not all. This rifle will not allow the block to fully raise on some makes at all, notably Blazer, CCI mini mags.

The Martini loves the Aquila Super I have on hand, which is now ten years old, it also shoots CCI SV very well. It doesn't like SK, ELEY, or anything Remington/Winchester/Federal. It will shoot most of them reliably, but not accurate enough for what I built the rifle for. 1/2 inch groups with just about anything at 25 yards, which open up quickly afterwards to 2.5 inch groups at 100yds. The CCI/Aguila, will shoot 1moa or less at 100yds from this rifle.

The Tikka will shoot several brands of ammo into 1 moa or less at 100yds, but not the Aguila Super or most high velocity offerings. It will also chamber everything I feed it. I've been seriously considering pulling the barrel and cutting a new chamber, but that could also open up a new can of worms, which I don't want to deal with. It's not broken, so I won't try to fix it.
 
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Meroh - Are you running a chrony on those Tac-22s ? The 'box says' 1083, while the CCI-SV 'says' 1070. I tested some CCI-SV thru my Sav-B22-FV and got a High=1069 and Low=1039. And I don't have CCI-SV thru my VMTR, but the SK-RM went H=1099; L=1080. Seems that the 'faster' bullets in Tacs might help, ESP at shorter ranges ?
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No, I have not not gone down that rabbit hole yet. So many things affect accurace, speed is only one part. I have seen data from others, and not always does more deviation or spread mean more flyers; likewise, consistent speeds don't always translate to less flyers. Granted, the removal of variables is always a good thing, if your rifle shoots more consistently with consistent ammo.

The target still tells the tale.
 
jhnvan said:
Tac22 was absolute hot garbage for me. Most inconsistent velocities, widest ES out of all my ammos, average groups at best... this is through a 1:16 match IBI bull barrel. Surprisingly cci SV and sellier & bellot canadian match have been the best cheap match ammo for me so far. Tested CCI SV, Blazer, Tac22, SB canadian match, SK rifle match, SK flatnose, Eley Benchrest outlaw, Eley Club, Eley pistol X. The SK has been the best so far but that's for match day.
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Rifles like what they like. LOL
 
Thanks for this thread. So much helpful info, as am new. When bought my 22lr I was sold Winchester copper plated hollow point, 36 grain.
Last week bought cci mini mag. Looking forward to trying them out as heard cci was better.
Thanks again, will watch for what you all say about pricing, vs availability. Don't want to be without.
 
boxhitch said:
theres the scoop of the day, ha, at 22¢ a shot
Standard + isn't even mid-grade, is it
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That can only be decided with the rifle it’s used in. Expensive ammo isn’t a guarantee with rimfire. I’ve shot SK Standard plus that averaged less than two different lots of Lapua Exact. Does that make the SK high grade ammo for only 22 cents a pop or the Exact highly overpriced at 86 cents a round! Price doesn’t always guarantee accuracy with rimfire ammo. Only the rifle can choose what works and some of the best ammo there is will just be wasted due to shooters skill!!😜
 
boxhitch said:
theres the scoop of the day, ha, at 22¢ a shot
Standard + isn't even mid-grade, is it
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Compared to the $150 + 25 shpg, it's a bargain. Most vendors are OUT so $110 is a good price. If the SK+ is the 'want', here's a price to be paid. Last year I bought SK-RM FOR $113 PLUS $13/brick shipping, on an order of 4-bricks . . . still shooting it - CHEAP !
 
Meroh said:
No, I have not not gone down that rabbit hole yet. So many things affect accurace, speed is only one part. I have seen data from others, and not always does more deviation or spread mean more flyers; likewise, consistent speeds don't always translate to less flyers. Granted, the removal of variables is always a good thing, if your rifle shoots more consistently with consistent ammo.

The target still tells the tale.
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Variable speeds don't start to increase the frequency of "flyers" until you start shooting past 50 yards with 22rf rifles/ammo.

IMHO, the biggest issues for accuracy show up with "sloppy" chambers and too much headspace.

22rf shooters can be extremely serious about accuracy, and some will chronograph their loads at different ambient temperatures and elevations, then record the deviations and extreme spread differences. I understand this reasoning and used it myself when shooting CF matches.

Most 22rf shooters understand the importance of "tight, properly aligned to the axis of the bore chambers"

When I had my 22rf match reamer made up, I sent a blueprint to the company making up the reamer. The dimensions are a few thou tighter, bordering on minimum SAAMI specs for all dimensions, including rim/body/throat diameters and lengths.

When I seat a cartridge, I can feel the bullet engaging the leade and being pressed into full battery when the block on my Martini comes to full battery position. The tight chamber dimensions allow this to happen without safety issues, just like it does in some CF match rifles, where a similar practice is followed.

"FREEBORE" is not necessary and extremely detrimental to accuracy, IMHO, with lead bullets, especially when there is no control over the priming/propellants.

I find that engraving the bullet, by slightly forcing it into the leade, is one of the best ways to ensure consistent accuracy with a broader range of manufacturers ammunition, than to allow the bullet to jump before engraving.

Back in the day, when black powder was the common propellant, free-bore was necessary. The manufacturers and shooters compensated for the free-bore by using cartridges with very long necks to hold long bullets until they engaged the leade. This isn't necessary today, so shorter throats are OK, IMHO.

Harry Pope figured this out, along with others, during the late eighties when BP cartridges, including the 22rf, were becoming the norm over muzzle stuffers.

They were curious as to why they could often get "rifled muzzle loading rifles, using patched bullets" to shoot more accurately than cartridge-type firearms. It was also in this period when they were finding their tech often wasn't up to consistent bullet to bore fit and a myriad of other issues created by priming, propellants, metallurgy of cases/bullets, and methods of lubrication came into play, when extreme or even good accuracy was demanded.

22rf has come a long way since those days, especially when it comes to standardization procedures, metallurgy, priming, propellants, lubrication.

It still has a lot of variables, as do the rifles themselves.

It's the main reason I never got "seriously" into 22rf match shooting.

There just wasn't enough shooter ability to control consistency from firearms, if you bought them, and especially ammunition.

22rf ammo from the same manufacturer, but different lots, can be as different as night and day, but often, very consistent, as long as nothing else has changed.

My most accurate 22rf rifles had tight chambers and tight bores.
 
You can think of SK Standard Plus as what used to be Lapua's lowest end target round, Super Club. Now that SK is a thing, there's also a tier below that now. Some lots of Standard Plus end up having enough wrong with them to not even be worthy of the Standard Plus boxes. Those get thrown into the SK Magazine bulk tubes. AKA "You could always just burn the money directly and heat the house a little bit so you at least get some value for money."
 
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