SKS accuracy capable of MOA?
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- In lalaland, that is Ottawa.
SKS-45 Accuracy?
Check out the thread that I started just a little while ago. It is at the URL below.
I believe that it adds to this thread.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415736
Check out the thread that I started just a little while ago. It is at the URL below.
I believe that it adds to this thread.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415736
The one flier shot in a 5shot group is caused by the manual cycling of the action on the first shot. The subsequent shots in the group are cycled by the blow back from the previous shot.
Since we are stuck with 5rd pinned mags all of our 5rnd groups have one shot that has been cycled manually. The other 4 shots seem to group reasonably close.
This has been my experience YMMV.
Since we are stuck with 5rd pinned mags all of our 5rnd groups have one shot that has been cycled manually. The other 4 shots seem to group reasonably close.
This has been my experience YMMV.
- Location
- In lalaland, that is Ottawa.
This has me thinking, why not put up two targets, one for the first shot and the second for the next 4 from each reloading?
After firing 5 clips of 5, there would be a target for the first out, 5 in all: the second target would have 20.
From this, you will then know much much your average first shot deviates from those in the rest of the clip.
Unfortunately, here in Ottawa, it's going to be a long time before this old guy gets out to give it a try.
So, OK, you out there in the California of Canada, get to work for the rest of us.
Get to it!
My Cz is a little better with the irons. Not tons better in my experience. The vz 52/57 I've got is better than both of them. mmm czech toys...
yeah my cz is a little better as well. Im averaging 2.5 inches at 100, well if I can bring it down with some new equipment after christmas
Several years ago I made a fairly long post on here regarding SKS acuracy using a variety of ammo through three different SKS rifles, try search, it may still be here. As memory goes I think we had about seven different types of surplus / factory ammo, three different guns (1 SKS-D, 1 pinned barrel SKS in a folding stock and 1 SKS in a Dragonov style stock) and three different shooters. Ultimately one gun with one load was considerably better than the rest, I think it was just under 3" at 100 yards. The average would be somewhere around 5-6" as I recall.
1 MOA, not bloody likely. In our testing we never even had a single group even close to MOA, let alone a repeatable combination at or near it.
Myth Busted.
- Location
- In lalaland, that is Ottawa.
SKS Tech 200 & Worked on Trigger
I'm getting cabin fever here in lalaland, with the tightened up Tech sight and the smoothed out trigger
and only 2 X 5 shot at 25 metres. Danford Lake rifle range is too far, and the snow to still questionable.
But, I had an offer yesterday from another CGNer member at EOHC yesterday to go out there and give the rig the acid test at 100 yds and 200 yds in late March.
At my age. I should not be anxious for time to pass, but, I can't help it. That's life...
Hopefully, I'll get to post again here in late March/early April with something of substance.
In the meantime, can you more astute people comment on my earlier post here about having one target only for the 1st round from the clip? In giving more thought to this, if I were to set up four more targets and try and put 5 shots (not first out of clip) in each of 4 other targets, all off sand bags, would this be a good test?
As I've said earlier, my SKS is a 1951 Tula refurb, no chrome, lam. stock. I'm also toying with the idea of taking off the bayonet. Comments & suggestions are welcome.
Thanks
I'm getting cabin fever here in lalaland, with the tightened up Tech sight and the smoothed out trigger
and only 2 X 5 shot at 25 metres. Danford Lake rifle range is too far, and the snow to still questionable.But, I had an offer yesterday from another CGNer member at EOHC yesterday to go out there and give the rig the acid test at 100 yds and 200 yds in late March.
At my age. I should not be anxious for time to pass,
but, I can't help it. That's life...Hopefully, I'll get to post again here in late March/early April with something of substance.
In the meantime, can you more astute people comment on my earlier post here about having one target only for the 1st round from the clip? In giving more thought to this, if I were to set up four more targets and try and put 5 shots (not first out of clip) in each of 4 other targets, all off sand bags, would this be a good test?
As I've said earlier, my SKS is a 1951 Tula refurb, no chrome, lam. stock. I'm also toying with the idea of taking off the bayonet. Comments & suggestions are welcome.
Thanks
Btw, this is what an SKS can do with those Tech-100 sights, a backpack, a bench, a steady hand and surplus ammo. Edge to edge groups average 2-3" with five rounds, three round groups often dip under 2", all at 100 yards.
That's what you can do after over 800 rounds of almost strictly "precision style" practice.
Funny story behind the three shot group there, I drew really quick on someone's old target a large dinner-plate sized circle. I walked back to the firing line and sat down, put my glasses on and looked at it. Target looked pretty big, so I shot at the left quadrant of the circle. I looked in my spotting scope after three rounds and started laughing.
That's what you can do after over 800 rounds of almost strictly "precision style" practice.
Funny story behind the three shot group there, I drew really quick on someone's old target a large dinner-plate sized circle. I walked back to the firing line and sat down, put my glasses on and looked at it. Target looked pretty big, so I shot at the left quadrant of the circle. I looked in my spotting scope after three rounds and started laughing.
I have had about a dozen or so SKS rifles, including three Russians, and one SKS-D.
I think the Russian SKS is one of the best "bang for the buck" firearms available.
All of my SKS rifles [ except the D model with the removable mags ] were totally reliable, inexpensive, fun shooters.
But target rifles they are not.
Most of my SKS rifles would shoot betweeen 3" - 5" groups @ 100yds,
depending on ammo and trigger.
I also had a few Ruger Mini 30s,
and the WAYYYY more expensive Rugers [ with their tighter .308 bores ] would shoot about 8" - 10" with factory .311" bullets. Reloading with .308 bullets can tighten the Mini 30 up considerably, but who wants to reload for .30 russian ... one of the cheapest, most common cartridges available??.
I did have one RUSSIAN SKS that shot a few 1" - 2" five shot groups with Norc ball ammo. That particular SKS had a very good trigger on it, and liked the Norc ball ammo best.
I think many of the SKS rifles would shoot better groups if they had better triggers.
of course,
YPMMV
I think the Russian SKS is one of the best "bang for the buck" firearms available.
All of my SKS rifles [ except the D model with the removable mags ] were totally reliable, inexpensive, fun shooters.
But target rifles they are not.
Most of my SKS rifles would shoot betweeen 3" - 5" groups @ 100yds,
depending on ammo and trigger.
I also had a few Ruger Mini 30s,
and the WAYYYY more expensive Rugers [ with their tighter .308 bores ] would shoot about 8" - 10" with factory .311" bullets. Reloading with .308 bullets can tighten the Mini 30 up considerably, but who wants to reload for .30 russian ... one of the cheapest, most common cartridges available??.
I did have one RUSSIAN SKS that shot a few 1" - 2" five shot groups with Norc ball ammo. That particular SKS had a very good trigger on it, and liked the Norc ball ammo best.
I think many of the SKS rifles would shoot better groups if they had better triggers.
of course,
YPMMV
Btw, this is what an SKS can do with those Tech-100 sights, a backpack, a bench, a steady hand and surplus ammo. Edge to edge groups average 2-3" with five rounds, three round groups often dip under 2", all at 100 yards.
That's what you can do after over 800 rounds of almost strictly "precision style" practice.
Funny story behind the three shot group there, I drew really quick on someone's old target a large dinner-plate sized circle. I walked back to the firing line and sat down, put my glasses on and looked at it. Target looked pretty big, so I shot at the left quadrant of the circle. I looked in my spotting scope after three rounds and started laughing.
Those are nice groups. That is great in my opinion for a $200 rifle with some minor upgrades. I wonder what a tuned up trigger would do for you? Tech sights seem to be one of the best options out there. Do you have the narrow sight post as well, stock sight or fiber optic?
I agreed with absolutely everything in your post. *highfive*
I'd like a tuned up trigger, although frankly I find it has a working trigger that's not too heavy and is actually decent. I gotta say, the trigger is what I think about the least on that gun. The tech sights are awesome, front post is stock, untouched.
One thing I do need is to get off my ass and make a stock spacer with a leather buttcuff to cover how terrible it's going to look (as the spacer is not going to match the laminate wood stock) because I'm seriously hating the LOP.
Apart from that, my advice is pretty much to not spend much on modifications and stuff, but to spend more on ammo. I'm going to buy a chinese SKS, cheapest deal I can find, and shoot surplus through it. I'm reserving my nice Russian SKS that I'm using right now for non-corrosive. I like it too much...
- Location
- victoria bc
the newer mini 30s have the standard .3105'' bores, and accuracy has slightly improved with the addition of a thicker tapered barrel, i think the only benifit of the mini 30 vs the sks is the mini has a rock solid scope mounting system and the rear peep sights are 100 times better than the leaf the sks sports, but the cost comparison makes the sks a no brainer, i enjoy my chinese chrome barrel sks,i also enjoy my mini 14,
My dad's old Tula 51 SKS is shooting 2 inch group at 100meters without any upgrades.
Got it from Lever arms Vancouver.
My SKS Tula 54, is shooting a rough 3 inch group.
I have a Ruger Mini-30 on the way to me from Epps.
Will give you more info later on the comparison between Mini-30 and SKS
Got it from Lever arms Vancouver.
My SKS Tula 54, is shooting a rough 3 inch group.
I have a Ruger Mini-30 on the way to me from Epps.
Will give you more info later on the comparison between Mini-30 and SKS
