SKS For hunting

Well , with that "guideline" most of us should hanging up our rifles because many of today's modern chamberings don't have the gusto much past 150 yards to humanely kill a moose with one shot.Unless of course we go giant magnum.

Just curious of the origin of that guideline.

There is much more to a humane kill than bullet energy. On game bullet performance which allows different bullets to do their jobs at different velocities is a benefit of today's technology.

100% perfect shot, that is what we all should strive for regardless of what we are using.A 338 Lapua in the guts of a moose is a lost moose regardless of energy, a .257 Roberts in the lungs is a dead moose, with one shot.

Shot placement is key!!!!
 
ironsighter said:
No, the 2100 number is terminal energy. However, it is clear that there is no point in arguing with you.

Regarding the video. The guy is an a**hole, demonstrating how a**holes hunt. Two spent casings before the 3rd shot, and then he comments "two to the boiler room..." and he is using at least a 7mm Rem. Mag, if not the 7.82 Warbird. http://www.handgunsmag.com/ballistics/7_82_ 308_lazzeroni_warbird.html

Read the comments on the video.

I'm with JeffJames on this one. Beyond 100-150 yards, I'm not shooting. But again, it is a personal choice. Each of us defines their own hunting ethics.
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Reference please.

Check your ballistics tables, the 7mm Rem Mag has less muzzle energy than 300 Win Mag. Unless you mean 7mm RUM... but in that case, it still doesn't carry 2100ft/lb of energy past 400...

Really? You wouldn't take a 200 yard shot on a moose with a 30-06?
 
pisces-guy said:
I agree with Ironsighter, the 30-30/7.62X39 are deer cartridges, at not much over 100 yards. If you're after moose, and you want the ability to make humane sportsmanlike kills out to 300 yards no problem, then bring a scoped 30.06 with 165 to 180 grain bonded bullets. The Hornady Interbond 165 grain in their Superformance series has ballistics creeping towards 300 WM numbers, and with a 3" high at 100 yards sight-in, will give you centre-hold shots in a big game animal's vitals out to 400 yards! The recoil of the 30.06 is quite reasonable as well, and makes for more accurate shooting from many hunters that are a bit recoil sensitive.
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I don't think anyone here is saying you should use a 7.62x39 on moose. Ironsighter is saying that the round you're using should carry 2100ft/lb of energy to the target, which a 300 win mag does not do past 400 yards. At 200 yards, a 30-06 doesn't even carry that much energy... so according to him, all you guys shooting moose at 200 with a 30-06 should stop.
 
Looking at post counts, now mine is not exactly stellar, but judging by that and by the tone of many posts here, I am going to venture a guess that many of those saying that you can't humanely shoot a moose at 400yds with even a .30-06 just don't have the experience behind them to back it up. Have any of them shot and bagged even more than one moose?
I simply can't understand why this is an issue.

Originally Posted by Kelly Timoffee View Post
So, with this theory , you could hold the muzzle against the chest of a moose and you would not have the energy to kill the animal???
Interesting concept.
It isn't a concept, it is a guideline. The guideline is in place to reduce the number of wounded animals and wasted meat.

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Sounds like something out of a book from someone who has interest in selling large calibers rifles.
No sales pitch. Just stating the accepted minimum terminal energy to kill a moose (with one round). As I have stated repeatedly, it is a guideline. This guideline will typically be followed by those who respect the animal and want to hunt humanely and responsibly.

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Hit the damn animal in the vitals at reasonable range, and it dies, shot placement boys!!!!!
Based on this, shooting a moose or a large bear from 50 yards with a .22 would be good practice, as long as your shot is 100% perfect?

To each his/her own.
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I gotta agree with Kelly and so many others here. I simply can't agree with Ironsighter. There is NO SHAME in a 200yd headshot. Hell, EVEN my wife can and HAS made those on deer. Deer!! And she just started hunting 2 years ago. And moose are a bigger head target. There is also no reason why a .30-06 can't do the deal on moose boiler room at 400yds.

Hang it up, Ironsighter, or learn to use it.

Oh, and look here, as well. Same discussion by your peers and betters.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=586774&page=8

I notice that you haven't posted here yet....
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accepted minimum energy...accepted by who? a lawyer proof reading a government issued document or someone who actually hunts? My .30-06 with cheap winchester super x 180gr. has been putting moose on my familys table since the 60's. Some shots have been outside 300 yds and there was no inhumane 7 miles of agonizing hell before it died. If you need 2100 ft. lbs of energy, then you need to learn how to shoot. The vitals on a moose are huge, hitting him behind the shoulder at 300 yds with a 9x scope is not a serious feat. does anyone remember what this thread is about?
 
Ar180shooter, I was referring to agreeing with Ironsighter that a 7.62X39/30-30 is a deer cartridge and not recommended for moose. Didn't give that 2100 ft-lbs much thought, I know that I've shot a couple of my moose at a bit over 300 yards with a 30.06, and they went down like a sack of spuds. It seems that Supernova has done the same thing. Yes, at less than 400 yards at least a 30.06 is enough for moose, and a magnum isn't needed...I would recommend a quality bullet like the Barnes TSX, Nosler Partition or Accubond, or Hornady Interbond. They penetrate well and expand reliably.
 
pisces-guy said:
Ar180shooter, I was referring to agreeing with Ironsighter that a 7.62X39/30-30 is a deer cartridge and not recommended for moose. Didn't give that 2100 ft-lbs much thought, I know that I've shot a couple of my moose at a bit over 300 yards with a 30.06, and they went down like a sack of spuds. It seems that Supernova has done the same thing. Yes, at less than 400 yards at least a 30.06 is enough for moose, and a magnum isn't needed...I would recommend a quality bullet like the Barnes TSX, Nosler Partition or Accubond, or Hornady Interbond. They penetrate well and expand reliably.
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Then we're in agreement, minor misunderstanding on my part. :)
 
Spears, arrows, musket-balls; none of these things worked. Cavemen, luckily, were kitted out with latest offerings from rifle and cartridge manufacturers. Political correctness has run amok since the 1980"s. Fear to be singled out creates this "PC" behaviour. I thought that would have ended in individuals shortly after adolescence. I like the M-43 and the 30WCF. They will kill any game in this land. The ability to put lead on target at will is the only requirement when using any cartridge.
 
better than any cartridge, better than having to mess around with ballistics charts & numbers, no windage or temperature variables, I am about to embark on a business venture that's guaranteed to humanely drop any big game animal from any distance (within line of sight, of course).

When I get my website up and running, you will be able to order my product, head out into the bush, and harvest that moose, deer, elk, bison, whatever with no muss, no fuss.
 
no, sorry it doesn't. actually it's not a firearm at all.

I intend to harness the power of voodoo, and will be making little moose/caribou/elk/deer dolls. Find your animal, say the chant (it will be on the dolly packaging), stick a pin in 'er and watch your prey keel over, as in Right Now.

cool huh?

(so much silliness in this thread already, I just thought it could use a little more).:D

***note: you may need to buy a larger, aftermarket pin for the larger game animals; just wouldn't be right to try to take out a huge moose with a little deer pin) :stirthepot2:
 
Ya, but does it have over 2100 ft. lbs. of energy? And how critical is pin placement? Like if I stick the pin in its face, will it still die?

mullet maniac said:
no, sorry it doesn't. actually it's not a firearm at all.

I intend to harness the power of voodoo, and will be making little moose/caribou/elk/deer dolls. Find your animal, say the chant (it will be on the dolly packaging), stick a pin in 'er and watch your prey keel over, as in Right Now.

cool huh?

(so much silliness in this thread already, I just thought it could use a little more).:D

***note: you may need to buy a larger, aftermarket pin for the larger game animals; just wouldn't be right to try to take out a huge moose with a little deer pin) :stirthepot2:
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mullet maniac said:
no, sorry it doesn't. actually it's not a firearm at all.

I intend to harness the power of voodoo, and will be making little moose/caribou/elk/deer dolls. Find your animal, say the chant (it will be on the dolly packaging), stick a pin in 'er and watch your prey keel over, as in Right Now.

cool huh?

(so much silliness in this thread already, I just thought it could use a little more).:D

***note: you may need to buy a larger, aftermarket pin for the larger game animals; just wouldn't be right to try to take out a huge moose with a little deer pin) :stirthepot2:
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I dont think there was any "silliness" in this thread until this post.

I asked for advice on the SKS as a hunting rifle and got lots of different opinions on the subject.

Thanks to everyone who offered up a serious opinion on the subject.
 
can't. not enough velocity for big game. Unless you threw the hell out of it like a spear I guess. But really, the bayos were initially intended for harvesting chickens and spreading mayonnaise so maybe it's best to use them for their original purpose.
 
154 grain soft point for sks

I have seen online that wolf makes a 154 grain soft point which I would rather use for hunting deer. It is not open country where I hunt deer and would like something a little heavier than 124 grain for the bush. It is not thick bush but there are some branches. I usually use the 30-30 with 150 grain but I want to try the sks this coming fall and want to sight in the rifle with the 154 grain after I finish of the militairy surplus. Any of you out there find a dealer that carries wolf or any other make of 154 grain soft point bullet.
 
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