Smith and Wesson M&P my opinion

I just realized that my pistol came with the internal trigger lock and key, none of the other pistols up here that I have seen had this feature. Not sure if I will use it, the trigger lock may be faster and there is no visable means of knowing if the gun is locked or not.
 
I'm thinking that the next handgun in my collection will be either a Glock or an M&P. I'm still working on which calibre.

Here's what I've come up with so far, not necessarily in any order.

Appearance: The Glock is all business. The M&P has some styling, but will the droopy dust cover get under my skin?

Handling: The M&P is designed for a human hand. The Glock is designed for...well maybe Gaston missed a step. Still, once I'm sighting the thing and once I forget about the trigger dimple, it does feel good. Sort of. I did handle a 21SF and it felt better in hand than other Glocks.

Safety: My brain is still functioning. Tossup.

Field Cleaning: Glock wins.

Detail Strip: Glock wins.

Reliability and Service: Glock wins, and I can get parts and fix a Glock myself.

Community Support and Knowledge: Glock wins.

Resale value: I have a feeling that Glock will hold its own, although S&W are winning some contracts. There's still that Sigma Stigma.

Accessories: Duh.

Price: New S&W's are a lot cheaper than new Glocks--but I can drive 15 minutes to Policeordinance and get a perfectly decent, used but serviced, G17 21 or 22 for a very fair price.

I guess I answered my own question. But any additional input will be greatly appreciated.

Now, as to calibre. I can carry in the US. I already have a Kramer IWB for my 1911 .45. I have a .40 Beretta Elite II. I just got a 22/45 for family training and plinking.

Now, do I want a 9mm, .40 S&W or a .45 ACP Glock?

I'd get the 9mm for range fun and the ammo is cheap enough to not reload. This year.

I'd get the .40 because I already load a ton of it. But firing it isn't fun.

I'd get the .45 because I load a ton of it and firing it is fun.

Please help me make up my mind.
 
Reliability and Service: Glock wins, and I can get parts and fix a Glock myself.
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where are you getting that from? my M&P has beeen 100% and I can get any part for M&P I want.

Resale value: I have a feeling that Glock will hold its own, although S&W are winning some contracts. There's still that Sigma Stigma.
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I would think M&P would have a better resale value; Everyone has a Glock and you see them in the EE section all the time. M&P is fairly new and not a lot of them shot up for sale..

Now, do I want a 9mm, .40 S&W or a .45 ACP Glock?
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there is a .45ACP M&P so it doesn't have to be Glock if you want .45...
 
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redstarevolution said:
The M & P forum has an ongoing thread regarding magazines dropping randomly while shooting. I'm not sure how common it is, but common enough that S & W are aware of it and trying to fix the problem. Anybody interested in the M & P should check out that forum for M & P specific information.
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I had this problem with both mags on my M&p 40 S&w. I'm waiting on S&w's reply.

In the meantime a couple strips of black tape on the back of the mags seems to have solved it. Cheap and easy solution and the mags still drop free.
 
v65magnafan said:
Handling: The M&P is designed for a human hand. The Glock is designed for...well maybe Gaston missed a step. Still, once I'm sighting the thing and once I forget about the trigger dimple, it does feel good. Sort of. I did handle a 21SF and it felt better in hand than other Glocks.
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The GLOCK was made for the normal human hand, the M&P was made for the american hand. Try this: Point your index finger at the wall, folding the rest of your fingers along side your palm. Notice the angle of your palm, it is quite steep, very similar to the grip angle on the Glock (and also the Luger). The M&P on the other hand has a very vertical non-natural grip angle, for people used to 1911's. So...the Glock has a natural grip angle and the M&P has a 1911esk grip angle. For most people including beginners the Glock will feel better, in terms of grip angle, but not necessarily size.
 
muh-muh-muh-mauser said:
The GLOCK was made for the normal human hand, the M&P was made for the american hand. Try this: Point your index finger at the wall, folding the rest of your fingers along side your palm. Notice the angle of your palm, it is quite steep, very similar to the grip angle on the Glock (and also the Luger). The M&P on the other hand has a very vertical non-natural grip angle, for people used to 1911's. So...the Glock has a natural grip angle and the M&P has a 1911esk grip angle. For most people including beginners the Glock will feel better, in terms of grip angle, but not necessarily size.
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What are you smoking? That is the complete opposite.
 
muh-muh-muh-mauser said:
The GLOCK was made for the normal human hand, the M&P was made for the american hand. Try this: Point your index finger at the wall, folding the rest of your fingers along side your palm. Notice the angle of your palm, it is quite steep, very similar to the grip angle on the Glock (and also the Luger). The M&P on the other hand has a very vertical non-natural grip angle, for people used to 1911's. So...the Glock has a natural grip angle and the M&P has a 1911esk grip angle. For most people including beginners the Glock will feel better, in terms of grip angle, but not necessarily size.
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I must have those mutant American paws then as while I've never held an M&P I can't think of any autoloader design on the market right now of any national origin that feels more awkward than Glock. I respect the hell out of Glocks but their grip angle and profile are *not* their best feature.
 
For most people including beginners the Glock will feel better, in terms of grip angle, but not necessarily size
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Glock was the first centerfire gun I've ever shot and it didn't feel that natural. M&P's is way more ergonomic; it's not even close!
 
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muh-muh-muh-mauser said:
The GLOCK was made for the normal human hand, the M&P was made for the american hand. Try this: Point your index finger at the wall, folding the rest of your fingers along side your palm. Notice the angle of your palm, it is quite steep, very similar to the grip angle on the Glock (and also the Luger). The M&P on the other hand has a very vertical non-natural grip angle, for people used to 1911's. So...the Glock has a natural grip angle and the M&P has a 1911esk grip angle. For most people including beginners the Glock will feel better, in terms of grip angle, but not necessarily size.
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Huh?

I'm not a 1911 shooter, never have been, and the M&P points FAR more naturally to where I'm looking than the Glock. Ditto for the wife. I suspect a few other people out there might find the same.

The only thing I didn't like on the M&P so far is the extended tang on the full size model that has been removed on the compact model. And as it will probably be used mostly as a carry pistol anyways, I guess a compact model in 40 S&W will be following us home soon. Shot it against a Glock, XP, and Sig at the range, and this was the one I preferred.
 
Funny thing about the Glock grip:

I handled both a Glock 17 and an M&P 9 today. The MP felt very comfortable. The Glock 17 had the grip indentations in the wrong place for my fingers, and the angle of the grip gave my fourth and fifth fingers less of a grip than they usually have on a pistol.

So, I'm wondering if the reduced grip of the fourth and fifth fingers will have an effect on accuracy.
 
I always thought Glocks felt like badly milled 2x4's. It's the only thing I don't like about them. The Smith is quite comfortable. I'm looking forward to picking up my new M&P this week, then I'll be out to play with it. I really didn't need another handgun, but I couldn't resist this for the price. That and I love anything with Novak sights on it, have done since my 3913 when they first came out.
 
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