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Hi All
Iam currently looking to purchase an old school mod 29-2 or 29-3. I want the barrel length to be 4.25 or 5".
Does anyone know if they were available in Canada in a this configuration? They seem to be hard to find.There are plenty of 6" and larger.
What about having one cut down to 4.25?
Ron
 
Cutting a 6" down is about your only option. This is no simple feat as the front sight would need to be moved back.
The early (desirable) 29s came in 2",3", 4", 6", 6.5" 8.375" and 10"
There was a limited run of 5" done for a US retailer but I doubt any made to Canada and if 1 did it would bring a large premium.
 
I cut my 8 3/8" 29-2 down to 4.5" a few years ago, should have gone 5" instead. It can definitely be done, but if I were doing it again I would source better tools than I had at the time.
 
I kind of figured that cutting would be my only option. Can anyone tell me who would be capable of doing this kind of work and what the cost may be. FYI Iam a very fussy person and I would be looking for a perfect job including the bluing at end of barrel. If it didn't look like it came from S&W I wouldn't be happy.
Ron
 
Hi Deadman
Just curious how the accuracy is. I was wondering whether I should get a 6 or 8 3/8 to cut down. Iam thinking that if I were to cut down an 8 3/8 it would lose accuracy. There is no logic to that thinking it's just a gut feeling.
 
Honestly I can't remember how tight it shoots for groups, its been a while since I used it. I imagine some accuracy would be lost with a shorter barrel but for me it wasn't a long range shooter when I got it. It was only after I cut it that I decided to see if I could ring a 200 yd gong with it.

When I practice, I can ;)
 
Hi All
Iam currently looking to purchase an old school mod 29-2 or 29-3. I want the barrel length to be 4.25 or 5".
Does anyone know if they were available in Canada in a this configuration? They seem to be hard to find.There are plenty of 6" and larger.
What about having one cut down to 4.25?
Ron

I have shot more than a few M29's the 6.5 balances better than the 4" guns or 4.2's I have shot.

Have you fired a 6.5 yet? or a 4.2?
 
I kind of figured that cutting would be my only option. Can anyone tell me who would be capable of doing this kind of work and what the cost may be. FYI Iam a very fussy person and I would be looking for a perfect job including the bluing at end of barrel. If it didn't look like it came from S&W I wouldn't be happy.
Ron

This would be a bit of a tricky thing, as far as I am concerned. What you want done is certainly possible: Mexican gunsmiths in the Custom Shop in Queretaro got to the point where they could cut a barrel and reinstall the front sight (provided it was originally a "pinned" front sight and ramp and not one machined onto the barrel like some Model 28's and 19's were) so well that you could not tell it was a "cut down".* They could also fill in the lettering engraved onto the barrel, then polish it smooth and re-engrave the lettering into the proper locations on both sides of the barrel using the proper fonts and then hot-reblue the barrel to almost perfectly match the S&W blueing of the 70's and 80's. However: they did ruin a few barrels to perfect this. I would say an easy half-dozen -- fortunately most of them were the old Numrich Model 23 Outdoorsman barrels that Numrich was flogging out for 49.99 for a few years, of which we bought many. I still have 3 (I think) down there awaiting new projects and those all had pinned on ramps and front sights, although they came unpolished in the rough!

Are there Canadian Gunsmiths who can do this? I don't know although I would like to think there were. I do know it would be pricey. It's a lot of work. I would say I am skeptical but if you find one that can do it, let us all know.

As to the perfection of the work, the Custom Shop guys got good at it because they had a high demand for many of the things that go into doing the job correctly in the first place such as remarking serial numbers and model numbers and caliber designations so that even an expert could not tell it was a remark. Barrel cutting and crowning and blueing they were already good at. They had even built a couple of "Smython" guns -- Colt Python barrels mounted on 586 revolvers -- with total success and ball-bearing lock-up. I know a large part of their "learning curve" came from the rejected failures that occured at the beginning. As a Club, we accepted the fact that if the Custom Shop botched up our barrels, well then we just had to provide another. There are no "claims" for damages or law-suits in Central Mexico over this kind of thing. You pay your money, you take your chances. And you pay for the learning curve. At 49.99, Model 23 barrels were cheap enough that we could throw four or five barrels at the early projects to get what we wanted.** Model 29 barrels are not cheap, so the learning curve could get expensive if you really are going to be fussy.

* One time the Custom Shop guys phoned me in my Ice Cream Store asking me about the resale price of a S&W Model 67-1 .38 Special that could shoot .357 power ammo. "Send me a photo or two of it, please," I said and almost instantly got photos of what was obviously a Stainless S&W Model 66 4-inch .357 remarked as a Model 67-1 and with the caliber designation on the barrel perfectly changed to ".38 S&W Special Ctg.". Looking at the photos, I told them it was just a Model 66 remarked to a model 67, which was obvious because of the extractor shroud along the bottom of the barrel. "No," replied the Custom Shop guy, "I am holding it my hand and.......oh, man, is this ever good work!!!" Even the Master remarkers could not easily tell. That is the quality you seem to want. I question you will find it in Canada, but let us know if you do.

** As a matter of note, the Custom Shop guys added on a extra charge for all subsequent barrel-work on the revolver barrels to pay back the guys who invested in those first barrels that they had to learn on. It didn't take that long, and then afterwards, that "extra charge" was a nice "dinner out for them." The movie "Spy Game" was playing in theaters at the time, so the idea of "dinner out" became an inside joke with the Custom Shop guys and the three or four of us who had fronted "learning curve" barrels.

One of the actual photos that was emailed to me from the Custom Shop of the remarked Model 67-1.
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I own both a 4" and 6 1/2" M29 S&W. The 4" is no problem to shoot with normal 44 magnum ammo. It fits my hands nice and the weight is well balanced, hell, no problem

Elmer Keith received the 3rd M29 that S&W built with a 6 1/2" barrel. Elmer advised S&W to offer 4" barrel guns but couldn't wait and cut his back to 4 1/2". He carried a 4" M29.

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I have fired a new style 629 in 6"and I shoot it quite well. I also have a 6" 686 and a 15-6 in 4.25 and I shoot both accurately. I love the look of a 29-2 in 4.25 and if I can buy one and get it cut within $1500.00 then Iam in. I know I can buy a new one already done but it's just not the same.
 
Thanks for all the info calmex . You bring up a point that I haven't thought of yet, the lettering on the barrel. I would be some dissapointed if I sent it out and it came back perfect other than the lettering.
 
On mine the front ramp wasn't pinned. I shaped a tenon when I removed it from the cutoff section of barrel then "machined" a mortise in the barrel and re-installed it. I never got around to pinning it, should probably do that. Also the sight could use a little cleanup if you look closely, and it looks like it needs to be seated slightly deeper on the barrel. Never really notice it in hand, but the close-up pics show how horrible it looks!

Looking at these old pics again makes me want to revisit this and do a better job of it.

I wouldn't recommend this method unless you have the proper setup, or don't care if you put a nick in it while working.

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I own both a 4" and 6 1/2" M29 S&W. The 4" is no problem to shoot with normal 44 magnum ammo. It fits my hands nice and the weight is well balanced, hell, no problem

Elmer Keith received the 3rd M29 that S&W built with a 6 1/2" barrel. Elmer advised S&W to offer 4" barrel guns but couldn't wait and cut his back to 4 1/2". He carried a 4" M29.

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I love the Diamond Cokes on your 6.5 inch. As a matter of trivia, it might interest you to know that before IPSC/Manitoba became IPSC/Manitoba it was just a group of guys in the Brandon Club that called themselves "The Magnum Gang" because we all had S&W Model 29's. I think all of ours were the Model 29-2's which were for sale at the time. I don't remember seeing any with Cokes, so yours probably pre-dates the ones we were using Cerca 1980 back in Brandon.

Photo: I might have been the first IPSC/Manitoba Director but I was not the Club President and thus I was not the President of "The Magnum Gang". Here the actual Magnum Gang President shoots his 6.5 inch Model 29-2 at the 1980 Second Chance Combat Shoot in Central Lake, Michigan. He actually placed into the low end of the prizes. I think he got a Ginsu.
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That's impressive. I think you did a fine job with the tools you had available. You obviously have a mill. If you can do that in your garage then certainly there must be a gunsmith that can do this.
 
It would be the barrel remarking that would be hard to get done. But, looking at the roll-marking on the 6.5 inch barrel as compared to the 4 inch, I am thinking that if you cut the barrel back to 5 inches you'll be perfectly fine leaving the roll-marking as it is. Cutting back to 4.25 inches (or even 4.3 to be sure because you can't easily put it back on once you cut it off) the markings might be a little forward of centered but probably not enough to bother anyone except you.
 
No mill, it was done with hand tools. The barrel had a weird ring in it, and I wanted a shorter barrel. I had more time than money, so I decided to do it myself. As I said before, and calmex noted, cutting to 5" instead of my 4.5 would have left the lettering more or less centered on the barrel. If you look at my pics it does look a little strange compared to Rod's 4" 29.
 
Just get the custom shop to make you a new barrel.
I like my 44 's the way they are. To bad S&W does make them all the time like before.
 
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