Smith & Wesson 20ga. SxS

[Ahsan Ahmed]

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Originally Posted by Ahsan Ahmed

Majority of complains that I've read about (and I've read a LOT) points to internals not being finished at an acceptable standard i.e. heavy triggers, broken firing pins, single select trigger issues etc.....not rocket science in this day to improve upon! NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, BUT IT DOES COST!

As for the S&W product, sure quality is plainly visible, materials used are higher quality

AND THIS COSTS AS WELL

In terms of fairness, suggest please take into perspective my entire post prior to just marking a few words/or single statement in there for comment.

Never indicated anywhere that cost would be expected to remain consistent at the presently available price point.

P.S. Apology, BB. Did not intend to deflect your original thread into a different channel/product. I shall stop right here

 

[Covey Ridge]

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Originally Posted by Ahsan Ahmed
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In terms of fairness, suggest please take into perspective my entire post prior to just marking a few words/or single statement in there for comment.
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Actually Ahsan, I did take a look at your entire post and just highlighted a few points but with no intent to take out of context and in no way was I trying to be unfair. In your original post your complaint against the S + W was that it was not of the quality of a 686 o/u. I suppose your complain was based on the two guns costing about the same. I would expect that a sxs of equal quality to the beretta would cost even more than the s+w sold for. Then you went on to suggest that it would be better to take and inferior product and make a whole bunch of improvements and make it cost less and that would be better? Well? That would be like taking a sows ear and doing a whole bunch of things to it and trying to make it into a better sows ear when you really wanted a silk purse. In your original post you seemed to object about the price of the s+w then later you mention the better quality of the s+w. I was just trying to suggest that quality has to be paid for.

From reading BB's original post and after looking a some pics, I am anxious to look at one of these myself. Being made in Turkey I do not expect it to be of the same quality of even a 686 Beretta, but I would expect it to be better than the CZs and the Yildez. From what I have seen so far, the price is what I would expect.

 

[SuperCub]

keeping in view that CZs are plain/no frills hunting tools, nothing more.

Which is exactly why I bought one. I didn't me cost a fortune. It fits well, shoots well, has all the features I wanted (26" bbl, 3" chamber, english style stock, tubes, dbl trigger), and I don't care if it gets wet and scratched up. I don't treat mine any better than I treat my 870.

I may have the stock refinished in a more traditional oil finish someday down the road, but it's not a priority.

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[Johnn Peterson]

SC, how has it worked out for you? What do you like & dislike? I have a chance to pick one up so I'm wondering, overall, what do you think of it?

 

[SuperCub]

SC, how has it worked out for you? What do you like & dislike? I have a chance to pick one up so I'm wondering, overall, what do you think of it?

This gun fits me well and handles well. I like the features it offers at it's price point. It's not a gun you will be afraid of using in thickets and rain.

The only thing I don't like about it is the wood is rather plain, and has a thick finish on it which was applied after the checkering was done, so the checkering is coated as well. Someday (maybe) I am going to have the stock redone in an oil finish and the checkering cleaned out. It's very well sealed as is, so leaving it alone won't hurt.

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[Martin]

Please give us an example of older high quality available for much less! I am always in the market for getting a good deal for what I pay.

It is my opinion that there are so many foreign made gun being imported, because there is NOT much available out there?

Not like I have always wanted a gun made in Turkey and speaking of turkey, Happy Thanksgiving to those celebrating the Canadian Holiday

Just watch the EE Forum

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150523
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=171206
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=182007
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=160120

I'm afraid, any of these guns are of higher quality than any recently manufactured SxS at about 2000 and I doubt that they would withstand 100 years of use as some of these did.

But if you like exchangeable chokes, ejectors, single trigger you stick to modern retro-shotguns.

Cheers

Martin

 

[Covey Ridge]

Just watch the EE Forum

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150523
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=171206
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=182007
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=160120

I'm afraid, any of these guns are of higher quality than any recently manufactured SxS at about 2000 and I doubt that they would withstand 100 years of use as some of these did.

But if you like exchangeable chokes, ejectors, single trigger you stick to modern retro-shotguns.

Cheers

Martin

You got me picked I am looking for stuff that has a lot less than 100 years of use, but I would gladly look at a parker or win 21 even in fair shape. I guess you are right, the guns you mention are in abundance, but I just don't want one.
Thanks

 

[beretta boy]

Me neither

 

[Win/64]

You got me picked I am looking for stuff that has a lot less than 100 years of use, but I would gladly look at a parker or win 21 even in fair shape. I guess you are right, the guns you mention are in abundance, but I just don't want one.
Thanks

Your loss our gain.

 

[Win/64]

Me neither

B B. That surprises me that you would say that. Just because a gun is 40 -60 years, or older does not mean it's seen that much use. Especially a field gun. I would much prefer to buy one of these than one of the new guns in the $600-$1,000 range. The quality is much higher and they don't swing like a wet log and above all they have soul.

 

[beretta boy]

I've seen so many neglected, rusted, pitted, "loose" and knife-edged comb old "beauties" that I've become jaded, I guess. And no, I don't mind a higher grade gun with 40 years and several thousand shells through it ( have a couple in fact) ... but a lot of those old Trojans & Nitro Specials are just not up to scratch. Anything in a good grade Parker ( VHE or better) Fox, L.C. Smith or Lefever, let alone a Model 21, is certainly a lot more than $750- $ 1000 ... and generally double that or more if it's in 20 gauge ! I'm not "elitist" by any stretch of the imagination, but just because it's "old and American" made doesn't neccessarily equate to "good" ... character, yeah, I guess so,
but quality fit and finish are another matter altogether.

 

[Win/64]

Actually the "quote" I was refering to, wasn't even about American guns. Which I feel are highly overated. It was about European guns.

 

[beretta boy]

Then I apologize ... there are a lot of good, older Italian & Spanish made guns out there that are reasonably priced. I have a Beretta SxS (409B) from the 60's that I really like ! And I'm sure there's a good number of old AyA's, Ariettas & the like out there as well ... but still, the smaller gauges are in short supply.

 

[Win/64]

Then I apologize ... there are a lot of good, older Italian & Spanish made guns out there that are reasonably priced. I have a Beretta SxS (409B) from the 60's that I really like ! And I'm sure there's a good number of old AyA's, Ariettas & the like out there as well ... but still, the smaller gauges are in short supply.

Smaller Gauges? 16 ga.on a 20 frame. Pure heaven.

 

[Covey Ridge]

Your loss our gain.

Well, I am not quite sure what you mean by our gain? If you are speaking about the examples posted by martin, how many of these did you buy? I sure don't feel a loss for not buying any of these, so if you feel gain at my loss, have at it!

I am no way hung up on made in USA, except for maybe some parkers and the win 21, and I am also not impressed by made in Belgium or made in Germany stamped on many hardware or trade grade doubles.

I have bought my fair share of these type of guns and what I have decided is that if I pass on a few of these I will be able to aford something I really want. You can talk all you want about these character worn old timers and I have a few that I love dearly, but I am ready for some new and affordable doubles with all the modern gagets like choke tubes and chambers dimensions for modern shells. I do not care where they are made as long as a reputable company stands behind them.

S and W is a good name and Turkey is where other name companys are having their guns manufactured. I like what I read about the S and W double but I will wait to make my final judgement when I handle one. Sure I would like to see it a little cheaper, but if I don't buy it I am not going to be tempted run off with the first under $400.00 special I see.

 

[Win/64]

I am no way hung up on made in USA, except for maybe some parkers and the win 21, and I am also not impressed by made in Belgium or made in Germany stamped on many hardware or trade grade doubles.

Now you really don't know what your talking about. Not all German and Belgian gun's were "hardware or trade grade doubles" The "Guild" guns as they were known as. Were each made by seperate makers some were junkers but a lot were of very high quality. If you want a nice SXS or O/U that is also made in Turkey look at the Yildiz line.

 

[Covey Ridge]

Now you really don't know what your talking about. Not all German and Belgian gun's were "hardware or trade grade doubles" The "Guild" guns as they were known as. Were each made by seperate makers some were junkers but a lot were of very high quality. If you want a nice SXS or O/U that is also made in Turkey look at the Yildiz line.

some were junkers? a lot were! only some were high quality, at least not most that I have seen.

Yildiz??? Where is the puke icon when I neeed it

Here it is

 

[Win/64]

some were junkers? a lot were! only some were high quality, at least not most that I have seen.

Yildiz??? Where is the puke icon when I neeed it

Here it is

See I was right.

 

[Covey Ridge]

See I was right.

I will concede! You are right! About the junker part at least!

Now the made in Belguim stuff! I am not overly impressed by the "guild" stuff (interesting wall hangers) and even the Belgium made Brownings. I have owned quite a few. Still own a grade II B. made .22 auto that I have had for over 45 years, and my father had a superposed trap gun and the first good shot gun that I ever bought for myself was superposed. I have owned a couple. I am still a Browning fan, But I like the Japan stuff better. In my opinion, other than snob appeal, every citori I had and have was and is better than, those made in B. superposed, and it is just sentiment that I prefer my .22 to one made in Japan. I have never seen even one b made SXS, and I have seen a few, that I would have taken over a Browning japan made 20 SXS, or 20 SKB.

and Yildez is still in my not so humble opinion

BTW, which one of those 4 advertised guns did you gain at my loss??

 

[Win/64]

Citori better than a Superposed. Ya must be daft........