Snider Enfield cleanup/restore

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I purchased some old rifles from a fellow CGNer a few weeksago, just retired and was looking for some projects and some wall hangers to spruce up the gun room.
The one I am most pleased with so far is the Snider Enfield with lock marked Enfield and dated 1871.
When I recieved the rifle was very pleased to see that it was complete, the lock functioned very well with positive 1/2 #### and full #### positions and the breech block was even unsiezed with the thumb latch working properly!

This is one of the # III models purpose built with the Snider conversions it is a 2 band model that doesn't seem to match any of the described versions out there so I am guessing it has been modified somewhat in the distant past as the patina shows that this rifle has been in this stock for a loooong time!
(The bluing is still present and in very good condition under the stock and both barrel bands although the barrel and all exposed parts when assembled have the dark brown patina.)
The barrel is a 3 groove, although when I got it I thought it was bored out smooth as no rifling was apparent! Couldn't believe once I cleaned it up that the rifling was not only present but very pronounced with sharp rifling and no deep pitting. (I'm going to be able to shoot this rifle!!!).

Overall length of the rifle is 47 1/4 inches from muzzle to end of brass butt plate,
28 1/2 inches from breech to end of barrel, (no bayonette lug on this barrel)
33 1/2 inches from butt plate to end of brass nose cap on stock.
Barrel and reciever one left side are both marked VR 2.P. which is struck out with a large X through them and below that on both is the WD with the arrow above it.
Barrel also has VR 1.P. that was not struck out?
Has F.7 on the barrel and the reciever by the barrel index mark.
Breech block and rear site both marked 8989 as well as having the inspectors mark with the crown.
The barrel is marked 6/71 which I understand means it was built in June 1871 ?
All parts are marked WD (for War Department?) With crown and inspectors mark on all except the smallest parts. Even 95% of the screws have the arrow on them.
No less than 15 different inspector marks on the various parts including the stock, wonder if this was normal on these rifles?

The cartouche on the stock is a circle with R "Crown" M, arrow under that, WD under arrow, and Enfield under that all within the circle and a "1" under the circle.

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These are a few of the pictures showing the markings on the rifle and one of the barrel interior with a bore scope before soaking the bore with CLR cleaner.Man did that stuff clean our a lot of rust!
Sorry for the crappy pictures... they looked good on the camera but appear to be rather poor on here, will try again!
Rodney
 

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A friend of mine told me last wee he has an old Snider-Enfield with a damages stock, I may see if he wants to part with it and restore it too. You have inspired me to pursue it before it is lost forever..
 
A friend of mine told me last wee he has an old Snider-Enfield with a damages stock, I may see if he wants to part with it and restore it too. You have inspired me to pursue it before it is lost forever..
These are fascinating rifles, the history and the simplicity of the design make them great candidates for restoration if they are not too badely beat/restorable.. I got lucky and will be shooting mine once I get my brass and dies.
Trying to source some lead cast bullets to try before I spend money on a mould. Ran a .577 cast bullet down the bore and it barely marked it at the muzzle, fell through the rest of the bore free fall!! I understand this is normal so need an oversize bullet if I want to find the best accuracy for it.

Rodney
 
"R M Enfield" stands for "Royal Manufactory Enfield" .....

No Canadian markings? (I didn't see any mentioned ....)

As you may know, the Snider-Enfield is Canada's quintessential 19th Century military metallic cartridge firearm .... our entire Militia were rearmed with them by the end of 1867 .... or early 1868, at any rate .... and then, despite the design being a "stop-gap" expedient, they remained our primary-issue military longarm until 1896 and beyond!

The general consensus of those who shoot these fine old rifles nowadays is that an oversize bullet (with no need for a hollow base) is the way to go for any chance at consistent accuracy - The expanding hollow-base, undersized Minie/Pritchett-type bullet was an excellent expedient to achieve easy-loading accuracy in a muzzle-loader, but simply can't work properly in a metallic-cartridge breech-loader, because maximum black powder pressure (and resulting skirt expansion) occurs at the moment of ignition, and that can't happen with the base of the bullet trapped inside the mouth of a cartridge-case! By the time the back of the bullet clears the case, it is really too late. Something on the range of .590" (or even larger depending on chamber size) is needed.

Seems that a short bullet stabilizes best, at least in the 3-groove, slow-twist barrels of the 3-band "long rifles" -

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Competing in a Grand Army of the Frontier match (basically "Victorian-era military action shooting") in Texas:

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I neglected to confirm that "WD" does indeed stand for "War Department" .... and in many cases on military firearms parts the initials will appear in conjunction with the "broad arrow", which was a mark denoting acceptance and ownership by the British government -

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No Canadian markings on it that I can see. Butt plate is stamped 10RG with 98 under that. Problem is the stock is a 2 band on a full length rifle so not sure if the butt plate is correct for this rifle or not? Stock may be original and cut back or???
Rodney
 
Possibly a cut-down stock. Is the furniture (i.e. butt-plate, trigger-guard and nose-cap) brass? Can you post a photo of the whole rifle, and another of the butt-plate markings?

During the period that the Snider-Enfield was on issue to the Canadian Militia, the 10th Battalion was the "Royal Grenadiers" (Toronto) so it may indeed be a Canadian rifle .... I'd have to see a close-up of the butt-plate stamp to hazard a guess ...

As you may know, the Canadian property mark in the relevant time-frame was the initials "DC" (Dominion of Canada) - usually, but not always, within a diamond-shaped border, like this .... which was supposed to be on the left (cheek) side of the butt-stock -

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But it is not unheard of to find Canadian rifles improperly marked, or not marked at all, with this property mark ....
 
All the furniture is brass.
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I tried to get a picture of the bottom of the stock so you can see the "insert"? where it looks like they may have filled in the channel for the cleaning rod or might be a crack repair? The stock has not been sanded as the insectors mark on the bottom behind the trigger guard is nice and sharp still.
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Will have to upload a couple more pictures later.

Rodney
 

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Could you please tell us what the bullet is in the picture?

"R M Enfield" stands for "Royal Manufactory Enfield" .....

No Canadian markings? (I didn't see any mentioned ....)

As you may know, the Snider-Enfield is Canada's quintessential 19th Century military metallic cartridge firearm .... our entire Militia were rearmed with them by the end of 1867 .... or early 1868, at any rate .... and then, despite the design being a "stop-gap" expedient, they remained our primary-issue military longarm until 1896 and beyond!

The general consensus of those who shoot these fine old rifles nowadays is that an oversize bullet (with no need for a hollow base) is the way to go for any chance at consistent accuracy - The expanding hollow-base, undersized Minie/Pritchett-type bullet was an excellent expedient to achieve easy-loading accuracy in a muzzle-loader, but simply can't work properly in a metallic-cartridge breech-loader, because maximum black powder pressure (and resulting skirt expansion) occurs at the moment of ignition, and that can't happen with the base of the bullet trapped inside the mouth of a cartridge-case! By the time the back of the bullet clears the case, it is really too late. Something on the range of .590" (or even larger depending on chamber size) is needed.

Seems that a short bullet stabilizes best, at least in the 3-groove, slow-twist barrels of the 3-band "long rifles" -

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Competing in a Grand Army of the Frontier match (basically "Victorian-era military action shooting") in Texas:

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Could you please tell us what the bullet is in the picture?

The bullet mould I use with excellent results was designed by Kerry Jenkinson (a gunsmith in Grand Forks, British Columbia, who apparently worked for Webley in the UK before they went to air guns only.) He had a number of these 2-cavity moulds made by Lee Precision, but so far as I am aware, the batch was sold out long ago. The .590", 480 gr. short, solid-base bullet with large deep grease groove for ample BP-compatible lube, functions very well .... so I wonder if he could be induced to have another batch of moulds made (or, alternatively, be persuaded to authorize Lee to make it as a custom order for anyone desiring it ....)

A mould for a somewhat similar bullet design (with an even wider and deeper grease groove) is produced by Cast Bullet Engineering in Australia - http://www.castbulletengineering.com.au/bullet-moulds/rifle/577-snider/590-480pb-single-cavity

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